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271 于 2003-09-08 14:41  觀看該用戶的個人資料  搜尋這個用戶發表的所有文章  把文章內容复制到剪貼板。 只适用于 IE :-)
TungTung

I see...next time remember to ensure that the new fishes are ICH-free before allowing them to enter the main tank. A single ICH is enough for killing off all your fish black eye

You are right that "most" of the ICH will be killed by the UV alone (if the UV is set properly). The real problem lies in the fact that "most" is just non adequate sad as per the reason in the above paragraph...any surviving ICH will multiply by 100 time in a 28-30 days' cycle, power of which you must have felt previously.

I see your purpose of transferring all the fish to the Q-tank...free swimming stage ICH will die after 24 hours if they cannot find a host. So leave the tank empty for 30 days or more (with UV on the better) will be pretty enough for the elimination of ICH. However, you must transfer enough filter media to the Q-tank to ensure that there is enough N-bacteria to filter the nitrogenous wastes produced by your fish or else they will die sooner than being killed by ICH. Copper is surely highly effective in combating ICH. However, it is also highly poisonous to the fish if the dosage is not at the right level. Even you follow the instruction of the manufacturer, you must also have aware that the endurance of each fish to copper is different and a level safe for some fish are already poisonous to others black eye

I read from your previous posts that you have in fact tried hypo previously. Any particular reason to make you refrain from applying hypoquestion From my own experience, it is the single safest and effective method (I use UV + hypo) to combat ICH. You shall lost all invertibrate in the LR but the N-bacteria would not be harmed by the treatment. Would you mind sharing your reservation in applying hypo?


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TungTung wrote:
康仔:

According to P : 低鹽度不能在主缸進行，這會破壞生物過濾系統。 shocked


I know I shall not say in this way...but from my own experience of applying hyposalinity, the N-cycle(bio-filtration) will NOT be harmed by hyposalinity. I have monitored the NO2 level of my tanks during hyposalinity and there was no single time of detection of NO2. The only real danger of hypo lies in the risk of the dropping of PH which is easily tackled by adding PH buffer. Hope this may provide more information to you smile


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     康仔:

Thanks for your advice.Yuor guess is totally correct.wink
I had tried hypo with UV in my main tank for once..the result is not good.
I know it wouldn't cause a major thread to the biofilatration system. But I think it may has some thread to the tanks's ecosystem. Whether it is a major or minor one i am not sure. In addition, I don't have a pH meter.sad


TungTung 修改于 2003-09-09 10:02
康仔
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TungTung wrote:
康仔:

Thanks for your advice.Yuor guess is totally correct.wink
I had tried hypo with UV in my main tank for once..the result is not good.
I know it wouldn't cause a major thread to the biofilatration system. But I think it may has some thread to the tanks's ecosystem. Whether it is a major or minor one i am not sure. In addition, I don't have a pH meter.sad


You are welcome smile

Have you lower the salinity enough in your previous trial of hypoquestion It should be around 1.008 at 28C or 1.007 at 29-30C. Reading of 1.010 at temperature higher than 25C is not enough for wipping off the ICH.

In my own application of hypo, I did not aware of damage to the tank's ecosystem. No single fish of mine suffers from any disease(apart from the 'rocks' which happened simultaneously with the whitespots and disappeared after the raising of SG) after the treatment and they are all healthy after I have increased back the SG of my tank for one and a half month now. They are alright even I have may the tank so cloudy and dirty for the re-designing of piping and water outletsshocked The two noticeable 'stress' to the fishes was that the growth of them seemed to be retarted during the hypo treatment (My blue face and purple moon Juvs stop changing color then and resumed the progress only after the raising of SG) and the 'rocks' are not so quick to recover.

I also noticed that the power and the water flow rate through the UV tube were also very important for the effectiveness of the treatment. At first I just used one 25W UV(run by a 400L/H pump) and the result was also not very good. I then add another 55W UV (run by a 1200L/H pump) and the result was much more noticeable afterwards smile

PH testers will suffice for the monitoring of PH for twice a day at the beginning few days. After 3 days or so, the PH will become stable and there should be no need to check it throughout the treatment. I did not used PH meter for my main tank either wink

Enough blah blah blah from me now tongue Wish your fishes will all recover soon blush


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籃紋,澳洲仙,阿拉伯,皇帝放落K-tank後不久便angry
幸好大佬籃面和二佬法仙還在Q-tank,並恢復condition.本星期未便夠十四天copper treatment.
現主魟只有5條魚...they are in perfect condition and free from ICH
唔知好唔好next week 加魚?


deechand
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 276 于 2003-09-12 19:57  觀看該用戶的個人資料  搜尋這個用戶發表的所有文章  把文章內容复制到剪貼板。 只适用于 IE :-)
暫時真係唔好加魚了,等主缸運行兩個月先加魚吧.

我見你D魚一有白點就搞,都係搞死多,你應該問自己係唔係D魚有白點就死更呀?條魚都無一個好環境比佢休養同自瘉,點樣落藥行什麼hyposalinity都無用啦.

緊記魚缸環境越自然(天然)越好,刻意改變是絕對不好.


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清缸養啦wink


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put copper in main tank la


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大佬籃面和二佬法仙好健康呀!!!!!


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Up to now,我始終唔想對main tank清魟or add copper.因為我相信白點主要是新魚的問題.
我現想每條新魚都放在Q-tank 1 to 2 星期,到完全冇事才落main tank.我現時個Q-tank 的setup十分simple, 只得一個小精靈,隔日便換水一次.試過keep 魚2 星期, No2, NO3 and temp 都OK. 唔知是否需要further moderify the setup?另外加少少maintank 的環在小精靈傍邊,有冇用?


TungTung 修改于 2003-11-25 23:54
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諗諗市面果d吸乜吸乜既棉.. 某程度上係好過隔日換水.. 因為換水果下對魚都好有壓力..


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iczfirz wrote:
諗諗市面果d吸乜吸乜既棉.. 某程度上係好過隔日換水.. 因為換水果下對魚都好有壓力..


水是from maintank 的cool, should be stable and not impose any 壓力 to fish


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TungTung

Sorry to hear the sad news sad In my opinion, every new fish should at least be quarantined for a month on it own before entering the main tank as a small number of ICH or some other parasite may attach to the gill or other unseen part of the fish when you buy it and multiply in several weeks' time unnoticed. As suggested by KK, you may buy NH3/NO2 absorber etc to ensure the water quality of a Q-tank of a modest scale, but since your way of adding fish should be quite long (your tank is 66" lar tongue), it is best for you to install a full-fetched Q-tank with all necessary equipment like skimmer/ bio-filtration system(UGF/sump depending on the size). A single disaster to the main tank will well pays off the costs of a Q-tank of such scale.

As mentioned by deechand, any change to the habitat will create great bio-pressure to the fish. The introduction of a large number of fish to a Q-tank in a short period of time will be a great danger to the fish, no matter how well the Q-tank is equipped, as the bio-system need time to adjust to the increase of fish. That's the reason why I have suggested to put back all the fishes to the main tank and apply hyposalinity and other medical treatment.

Concerning the adding of new fish, since as mentioned, a small number of ICH may have already parasited on the appear-to-be-healthy fish/ floating in the tank water in the dormant stage, it is better to wait and observe the situation of the tank for at least a month. Newly introduced fishes are inherited to be weak and proned to the attack of any desease already present in our tank blush


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tungtung兄:

你現在有幾多魚在主缸? 你的醫生缸是怎樣的?



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