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Need some advise from all of you "high hands"

hellfreezer

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61 于 2004-06-20 16:43

many thanks Dickson!

七仔

好玩唔玩玩養魚！！！

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62 于 2004-06-21 03:58

咁大隻地毯葵，溶起上嚟好大件事；如果見佢軟賴賴一pad野咁，個口又合唔埋，就要快d撈走佢啦。我之前有隻紅奶咀係石後面溶左，好彩缸大，個濾水頂得順，咩事都無。要千萬小心呀！

hellfreezer

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63 于 2004-06-21 17:19

多謝七哥指教!

In fact, I took it out last night as it seemed it was going to meltdown

I hope others can survive..................

bseeto

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64 于 2004-06-21 18:04

Hellfreezer,

I am sorry for your lost. But we can all learn and get something out of this lesson - cheap and popular doesn't mean it is easy to keep.

Don't fall into the "impulse buying" trap again. Research and ask question on this board before making any purchase. Below is a very comprehensive FAQ on anemone. A word of warning though, even the easiest anemone (bubble tip) is considered difficult to keep.

http://www.carlosreef.com/AnemoneFAQ.pdf

Other very popular but very difficult to keep species include Alveopora (12手寶石花), Goniopora (24手寶石花), Gorgonian (海柏), Dendronephthya (雞冠？) and Flame Scallop (火焰蚌). They are all relatively cheap because the fish stores have to sell them before they die.

幻之無極兇眼男

東之深淵者

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65 于 2004-06-21 19:05

Goniopora (24手寶石花) 係好易養的

人生，尚算不錯。

hellfreezer

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66 于 2004-06-21 22:25

小弟非常多謝各位之指導:

Bseeto兄所云 "impulse buying" trap是所有新手都會犯上的嚴重錯誤，希望各位其他新手不要犯上同一錯誤。

幻之終極真姚俊兄:
以小弟現時之身手, 絕不能把其24手寶石花据成7小塊, 待小弟練好身手, 必將汝之法理加以用之.

hellfreezer

bseeto

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67 于 2004-06-23 11:47

幻之終極真姚俊 wrote:
Goniopora (24手寶石花) 係好易養的

Hey man, you are my idol in Goniopora keeping. But I sincerely doubt that of all the frags you gave to other people, how many of them are still thriving after 6 months.

I know you don't have a water chiller and you are using HQI, do you skim? I ran across some un-published work on Goniopora by an Australian post-grad Meredith Peach. She didn't finish the work becasue she switched to study sharks.

Anyway, she did some gut content analysis and showed that Goniopora probably eats phytoplanktons and tiny non-crustacean planktons. She also shows that photosynthetic rate of the symbiotic zooxanthellae DROPS when Goniopora is deprived of food. This vicious cycle often kills the animal.

From my casual observation, most people who keep Goniopora successfully use refugium, use very weak skimmers or do not skim at all. That's why I ask whether you skim.

I suspect that your success is because, apart from cutting them, you provide enough food to them.

But I am not a researcher, I doubt we can arrive at any concrete idea soon.

幻之無極兇眼男

東之深淵者

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68 于 2004-06-23 13:43

bseeto wrote:

幻之終極真姚俊 wrote:
Goniopora (24手寶石花) 係好易養的

Hey man, you are my idol in Goniopora keeping. But I sincerely doubt that of all the frags you gave to other people, how many of them are still thriving after 6 months.

I know you don't have a water chiller and you are using HQI, do you skim? I ran across some un-published work on Goniopora by an Australian post-grad Meredith Peach. She didn't finish the work becasue she switched to study sharks.

Anyway, she did some gut content analysis and showed that Goniopora probably eats phytoplanktons and tiny non-crustacean planktons. She also shows that photosynthetic rate of the symbiotic zooxanthellae DROPS when Goniopora is deprived of food. This vicious cycle often kills the animal.

From my casual observation, most people who keep Goniopora successfully use refugium, use very weak skimmers or do not skim at all. That's why I ask whether you skim.

I suspect that your success is because, apart from cutting them, you provide enough food to them.

But I am not a researcher, I doubt we can arrive at any concrete idea soon.

我個缸邊會有planktons呀，有的話，火焰蚌就唔會死。管蟲也唔會餓死。就算真係有，24吋缸邊夠野比成大堆寶石花食呀。
我始終唔覺佢會食野，因為比粒魚春佢食，都食成半粒鐘，乜都比魚搶哂去食。另一個原因就係扁蟲，幾乎每個寶石花的口上都有一隻，個口封住，點食到野。
我以前無鋸開的兩三舊，都係死左，即係同一個環境下，無鋸就死，有鋸唔死。
點解比人後會死，一，細粒得滯(佢地石又多)，跌左後失踪。二，唔夠光(t5ho都唔夠光)。暫時係catlee幾粒生得幾好，不過見到d色開始淡，因為佢唔係用老仔。網主幾粒就好地地。而比kk的幾粒，得個唉字。仲有其他的都係唔夠光而蕉左。

幻之終極真姚俊修改于 2004-06-23 13:49

人生，尚算不錯。

幻之無極兇眼男

東之深淵者

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69 于 2004-06-23 13:46

你如果想做比對實驗，可以買舊細細地的放落我個缸，睇下會唔會死。又或者你買兩舊綠色(唔好買染色種)半圓骨那種(唔鋸係死得最快的)，一舊鋸，一舊唔鋸，好快就睇到佢死唔死。
就算人地用乜乜乜乜方法養到，但成功率都係好鬼低，邊樹可以達到近100%成功呀。
漏左寫，無用skimmer。我發現扁蟲會食碎魚糧及豐年蝦仔的，所以係無野會落到去寶石花個口。
個澳洲人真係無恆心，見到寶石花難搞就轉去玩沙魚，無鬼用。

幻之終極真姚俊修改于 2004-06-23 13:57

人生，尚算不錯。

hellfreezer

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來自: Clear Water Bay

70 于 2004-06-24 22:30

Dear bseeto ,

I finally got time to read through your link and the article provides very in depth information. Thanks! However, this link http://www.bestfish.com/saltg.html provide a different point of view on anemone--carpet. It says carpet has tolerant of various water conditions and not commonly affected by hard to treat diseases. This is why I got trapped!!!!

Moreover, I found an article, though, it was old (http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/r_king_062500.html; published in 2K), it does say cutting can speed up the growth of coral, espeically soft coral. I guess the cutting method of 幻之終極真姚俊 should work. I also believe the amount of phytoplanktons and tiny non-crustacean planktons in the tank play very important role in supporting the growth of coral.

I will study more, and if I find anything good, I will post it here for your reference.

cheers,
hellfreezer

nebula

野外採集派

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71 于 2004-06-24 23:08

姚俊比左四舊寶石花我，除了有一舊死於非命外，悻存的寶石花都好精神。

個缸，有化氮，Chiller，草缸及鹵仔。

我會繼續密切留意。

hellfreezer

給點耐性，時間會讓你的珊瑚缸穩定下來，地毯葵起碼要開缸半年後才可加。這段期間可養鈕釦，草皮…等等。

Ben:
我曾經提過海外Tropical Fish Hobbyist November Issue 指出養海外寶石花超過一年的成功經驗共同點…
沒有化氮或細功率化氮，
有草缸或DSB，
所養個體較細
頭兩個共通點可解釋為穩定而持續的食物來源。
最後的原因就依然成謎，亦是姚俊寶石花不鋸不生理論之謎。
對我來說，簡直就是辟邪劍譜的珊瑚飼育版。
欲練神功，必先自宮。

I believe in the Kingdom come Then all the colours will bleed into one But yes I'm still running
You broke the bonds You loosed the chains You carried the cross
And my shame and my shame
you know I believe it But I still haven't found
What I'm looking for.........

hellfreezer

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72 于 2004-06-26 21:07

nebul 兄,

多謝指教. 如養鈕釦，草皮,要老仔燈嗎?

thanks..

hellfreezer

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73 于 2004-06-26 22:25

要餵咩俾它吃.

bseeto

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74 于 2004-06-29 14:44

hellfreezer wrote:
... this link http://www.bestfish.com/saltg.html provide a different point of view on anemone--carpet. It says carpet has tolerant of various water conditions and not commonly affected by hard to treat diseases. This is why I got trapped!!!!
...

Dear Hellfreezer,

I am not sure about the link, it says those anemones are filter feeders. I don't know how they can filter feed without any filtering apparatus.

Years ago, people thought the stickiness of their tentacles were used to stick small particles for food. With the help of microscope, we know that those stickiness comes from stinging cells used in capturing larger animals. I am not sure when microscope was invented. A hundred years ago?

The link is now telling us something that was proven wrong a hundred years ago!

And it also says carpet can tolerate variour water conditions, hmmm...

It might be correct, you know, I have no experience in carpet anemone to say otherwise.

bseeto

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75 于 2004-06-29 14:47

hellfreezer wrote:
nebul 兄,

多謝指教. 如養鈕釦，草皮,要老仔燈嗎?

thanks..

I am not Nebula but I use PL light with very good growth rate.

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