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Once I have to type long I will type in English. Do appoligise !
I also walked passed the seafood restaurant and saw a big fish being slaughtered.

Next picture down the thread is a Napoleon (Ĭ¬Ü). Although many people may think that killing these animal is okay for consumption, I really am against it. Napoleon is a reef fish and NOT a ocean-going fish. Reef fish number is significantly less than ocean-going fish (i.e. ­Ü³½, tuna, ¨F¨l) and it takes significantly longer time to grow (because of their diet). It is not that I am in favor of the killing of ocean-going fish, but I am in-support of catching oceangoing fish at sustainable rate. Regarding coral hind and grouper (¥Û¯Z), it is encouraging that fishing farm can farm them, and because of their toughness, they tend to grow fast and quickly even in the wild. Nevertheless, Napoleon is not like that and they are being endangered by our consumption. On one large reef area you may only see a few Napoleon, but Sai Kung is, at least, killing a Napoleon per shop per week. This phenomenal killing rate is really speechless !

Napoleon has a cute side to them, being a marine hobblist we should apply the same environmental concern to our surrounding.

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An adult Napoleon. Who knows how many years for them to grow to adulthood ?



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The point of my two previous pictures was not to show off my trophies (pictures) , but hopefully have something meaningful to think about.

The folllowing picture may sadden some people. I have filmed the process on movie (Quicktime again) and it is X-rated (not PG). If anyone interested to see I will send it over by email (but make sure you mail account can take 5Mb).

Again, as I previously commented about scuba, it is not just the opportunity to see the creatures in their natural habbitat, but you come to know what is precious and you will play your part to preserve the things as we ought to.



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WWLWORLD,

Scuba Diving indeed is a very eye-opening experience. I tried it twice and fell in love with the Reef more than ever before.

There're 2 things we can do as hobbyist:
Sue the owner, don't think it's possible to have an effect in HK.
Will NOT buy any livestock from these kind of shops, simply BOYCOTT them.

I do have a rebuttal though. Yes, it was animal cruelty for the fish to die with great pain and suffered a great deal, but ultimately it ended up on a dinner plate as food for some human beings. Evaluate what we do to the Reef environment, we as hobbyists bought ???? fishes to take them home and ultimately killed them, they didn't end up on our dinner plate, but buried in the garbage .... total WASTE of lives.

Though our faults or not, we're contributing to the deaths of thousands of fishes taken from their precious homes, living their happy lives before. So what's the bottom line? For the advanced hobbyists, please share and help out the novice hobbyists, spread the knowledge. For the beginners, please don't jump into this hobby without reading up on how to do it right. Read books first, talk to the knowledgable guys (not the Fishstore owners), ask questions of this forum. I've read lots of threads about guys putting fishes into tanks which weren't even CYCLED.

Finally ..... it's not hard to keep saltwater fishes, but you've got to be very PATIENT. Whenever there're fishes in tank, you must ensure your water parameters are always:
pH at 8.0 or above
NH3/4 (Ammonia) is always ZERO
NO2 is always ZERO
temp is between 22-26C

Before you take your wallet out to buy your favorite fish, find out its dietary needs, compatibility with other fishes already in your tank. Know which one is Predatory, which one is not. Last thing you want to do is to put a predatory fish or invertebrae into your tank to eat up all shrimps and fishes.
You would be saving a lot of your pain/heartache and money.


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13 ¤_ 2002-04-11 09:56  Æ[¬Ý¸Ó¥Î¤áªº­Ó¤H¸ê®Æ  ·j´M³o­Ó¥Î¤áµoªíªº©Ò¦³¤å³¹  §â¤å³¹¤º®eÎ`¨î¨ì°Å¶KªO¡C
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This kind of people are really shit, they are really killing those lovely fish.

Do they sell them?? and how much???

Hope this shit will CLOSE shortly.

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14 ¤_ 2002-04-11 12:23  Æ[¬Ý¸Ó¥Î¤áªº­Ó¤H¸ê®Æ  ·j´M³o­Ó¥Î¤áµoªíªº©Ò¦³¤å³¹  §â¤å³¹¤º®eÎ`¨î¨ì°Å¶KªO¡C
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No one will buy those fishes. Reef fishes are not for consumption nor hobbyists will buy from there. Some butterflies are even off balance (swimming with their head facing downward), moorish idols have swollen eyes or rotted fins.

Nevertheless the main concern is rather than fishes, but the soft corals they extracted from the sea. The fishes and the corals are definitely not from open ocean but from the reef area. They only have two ways to get them: 1. by dragging nets on the reef pulling out everything on its path and destroying the reef area; 2. by divers picking off LR and soft corals.

Where could they have pulled out so much of the stuff ? Junk Bay ? No way .... must be Sai Kung. So somewhere in Sai Kung, the reef is now destroyed. The implication is more than losing a few fishes, but another reef area destroyed.

It seems that some fishes like Moorish idols and snapper have come back to HK, and butterflies are growing larger ( I didn't see butterflies as large as those in the tank ). It says something about the state of HK water that improvement is being made. But pitty that if someone is pulling out the fishes now, we need another period to recover the loss. One day the reef will surely be rebuilt and fishes return; I never doubt about this. Nevertheless, I just feel that these guys are hindering the process. Reef is not private property. Although most people don't see them but it doesn't mean that a few can rob them off or destroying them for apparantly no benefits at anyone or to themselves.


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Hope police can catch them, MANMAN, time for U to do something!!!!!!

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