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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-10 12:49 前幾日係旺角炒左車... 好在有老朱幫忙車輪三保既野... 所以都可以安心係屋企抖下.. 首先唔講事發經過... 只講出事後既情況... 等大家比下意見... 我係渣電單車.. 500cc街車有尾箱.. 冇其它任何改裝.. 對方係的士... 炒左之後應相方都冇郁動過架車... 行車線同一方向有三條... 前多50米就係十字路口有紅綠燈既... 中線同右線係直行... 左線就只係轉左... 炒完後... 我架車唉住係左邊行人路既欄度... 車頭散左五成... 但右指揮燈閃緊... 的士就係我架車大約十幾廿米後停左係慢線度... 但佢既右尾碌仲係中線內.. 車頭就三十度向住行人路.. 頭碌則反而轉緊向右三十度... 指揮燈冇閃... 佢前多幾米就開始有行人路既欄... 當時有路人幫我call左白車.. 有交通警到同我吹左波波指數係0... 大家點睇.. 今次會點判呢:P 註: 我年半前比人捉過80開160.. 停過牌半年.. | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-10 12:57 補充補充... 的士左邊倒後鏡掃甩左.... 左邊車身亦有比我撞花晒...但由邊度開始花起我就唔清楚... | |
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Posted by: tom82612 Posted on: 2004-01-10 13:18 咁你賠$$定個的士佬賠$$？ | |
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Posted by: choinm Posted on: 2004-01-10 14:40 最緊要身體冇事，寫嘢人地仲睇得明，其它銀紙同扣分都係小問題。 係咪你要出佢要入，結果撞埋一堆。朋友話咁情形一般電單車較不利，因電單車全視野，而的士可以話睇唔到你。不過最後都係要睇實際情况由差佬定起訴邊個。 有揸個車既都知有時真係睇唔到電單車，細佬身邊唔少朋友如果唔係揾食一定要都放棄電單車。 | |
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Posted by: andrewlws Posted on: 2004-01-10 16:44 請你畫張圖,大家會易了解 | |
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Posted by: 老狗 Posted on: 2004-01-10 17:13 如果雙方無明顯的出錯,我諗最後警方會兩個都告不小心駕駛, 之後等個官判,但交通意外黎講,最緊要人無事,最後祝身體健康 | |
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Posted by: 鵬鵬 Posted on: 2004-01-10 17:33 iczfirz wrote: 補充補充... 的士左邊倒後鏡掃甩左.... 左邊車身亦有比我撞花晒...但由邊度開始花起我就唔清楚... 等我黎研究研究！ 架的士d花痕係由車尾花到頭定由頭花到尾呢？ 如由尾花到頭: 你當時話架的土double cut抄落你度？你係咪車速快停唔到？ 你離遠己見的士有動作要cut線？如果係、係你抄佢！ 照我估計、你有超速停牌底、可能判你危險駕駛！ 會再次停牌1-2年！仲要賠償的士tim........哈！死未？ 祝你好運！.........呢個係最壞打算乍！:P:}):P | |
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Posted by: 老坑 Posted on: 2004-01-10 19:34 你右指揮燈閃緊........坐輸望和啦:})..........的士佬好熟law架:D | |
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Posted by: bbq Posted on: 2004-01-10 19:52 等我又講下我既意見, 首先要睇埋現場有冇呔痕, 因為好多時呔痕係輸羸中都會佔好重比例, 假設大家都冇呔痕,而的士又冇乘客,亦冇任何現場証人(最common既case), 咁我就覺得呢單野差人度位都只係例行工作, 因為差人同法官都唔知道實際情形係點撞, 指揮燈點著法冇關的, 因為可以係撞車後先打燈或熄燈, 最重要係睇大家既口供點俾, 你就一定會話自已一直都係開著大燈, 2波,30km/h行緊1線,的士cut線冇睇車,冇打燈,連cut兩條,超速,你有響呠呠.......之類 但如果你係個的士佬想屈架電單車唔岩又會點講呢? 如果我係的士佬, 我會話我2波,30km/h, 由2線小心慢慢cut到1線(因個尾轆仲有少少責住o係2線度,焗住冇得講話一路都行緊1線), 點知正當我已入了90%1線時, 有架電單車亦由2線以時速約70km至80km cut至1線, 仲要o係我架車(的士)同行人路之間 "攝"上黎, 但因為唔夠位 "攝" 及佢(電單車)車速太快, 所以就欄腰由車身中間一路掃到上車頭, 信邊個要睇雙方的講大話技巧, 理論上,法官判輸羸興你既過往賽積係冇關的 (強調:只係"理論上"而已) "過往賽積"只係俾法官在判刑時作參考, 但人非草木,私心一定有, 差人與法官偏幫邊一方面只可聽天由命, 現今可以做到既就係努力度好份口供點俾, 記住將個故仔問多幾個有經驗的人睇下有冇破綻, 如果已經俾左口供而又後悔, 係可以去改的(好多時差人都會懶得做而 "大" 你話冇得改) 你可以話上次俾口供時仲"溫溫戥戥",記錯左, 呢個係你既權利, 你如果一定要改,佢冇得唔做的, 千其唔好怕麻煩, 因為如果你輸左, 計埋你既"過往賽積", 一定會判得好重, 落完口供亦記得要叫佢影印一份俾你(之後可能有用), 祝好運!! ps:記得囉多d病假去claim車手獎(唔明可問chub chub) | |
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Posted by: bbq Posted on: 2004-01-10 19:59 補充: 記得報燕梳呀, 同埋口供影印本及一切警方文件都要俾燕梳公司, 因為你現在同燕梳公司係坐埋同一條船的, 佢地都想你羸, 因為你羸左佢地就唔使賠, 如果輸左, 的士佬會最少claim你幾萬銀, 到時你拎封信上燕梳公司就會幫你賠了, 因為如果唔報或遲報, 佢地有權唔賠的, 到時可大可小,千萬要記得報呀!! | |
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Posted by: wtlam Posted on: 2004-01-10 22:42 簡單的講, 係咪即係係中線到, 佢車尾撞到你車頭 如果係既, 你都幾危 | |
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Posted by: 岩礁園丁 Posted on: 2004-01-10 23:02 首先, 恭喜你執返條命..:P 如果呢種情況發生係我老家, 只要你當時仲 get 得返起身, 還識得兇神惡殺:!(, 條的士佬一定驚標尿, 到時, 你要幾多, 佢就比幾多, 要幾多, 比幾多, 要幾多, 比幾多,要幾多, 比幾多, 要幾多, 比幾多,要幾多, 比幾多, 要幾多, 比幾多,要幾多, 比幾多, 要幾多, 比幾多,要幾多, 比幾多, 要幾多, 比幾多, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, 和解了事, :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D | |
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Posted by: mrfong Posted on: 2004-01-10 23:43 你地咪鬼嚇KK 啦.....睇尼似乎係架的士cut 線唔[$#21873][$#22083]...:P 係咪好似張圖咁呀...:D KK打燈想轉右線...的士30度cut 入左線(冇打燈 )...如果碰撞地點係慢線[$#22021]話..應該係的士佬唔[$#21873];)... bbq 話齋...睇下法官信邊個口供 la.. 祝你好運 ! | |
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Posted by: steven Posted on: 2004-01-10 23:48 mr fong , 你做乜偷o左警方幅圖呀？:P | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-10 23:59 芳芳... 成單野我冇訓過係地下度... :}) 其它野都好畫得好岩下... bbq.. 燕疏己報左囉:P 有左芳芳張圖..大家又點睇呀?:) | |
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Posted by: nebula Posted on: 2004-01-11 00:00 KK：最緊要人無事，我諗就算個官唔釘你牌，你老虎都會做野！這次意外就當是一個契機吧，始終仔細老婆嫩呢！ | |
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Posted by: chub Posted on: 2004-01-11 00:11 落咗囗供未?如果我冇睇錯副圖的話.應該係的士cut線時你就隊咗埋去,咁你咪同呀sir講佢直情喺你隔離一野抽埋嚟!當時我乜野反應都做唔切就撞咗埋去喇!屆返佢轉頭!話佢冇打燈,就cut線,我行緊自己條線架嘛!佢睇都唔睇就抽埋嚟!我點避喎!有冇得贏就睇你份口供點𢭃喇! | |
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Posted by: chub Posted on: 2004-01-11 00:17 仲有呀!如果你判你輸的話,唔會因為你之前停牌而判你危險駕駛架!最多咪不小心駕駛,5分$800好小事,cam車手吵得囉!仲有著數呀!:D | |
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Posted by: chub Posted on: 2004-01-11 00:23 再補充: 我覺得你贏多呀!一句講晒我行啱自己條線,我唔一定要讓你架嘛!你cut唔到入嚟!咪停响度等到有得cut為止囉! | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-11 00:53 先謝過大家既意見先... 因為我想唔令大家先入為主.. 所以我未想講詳細情況住... 等到多d人出晒意見先再講... ;) | |
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Posted by: catlee Posted on: 2004-01-11 01:06 法官大人, 根據證人o既證供, 加上現場環境證據, 可歸納如下: 1. 當事人意外後冇[$#30611]低過. 2. 的士與電單車係意外後距離得廿米 3. 而兩車之間冇剎車痕 (fong fong 張圖冇畫) 咁可證明當時我o既當事人當時行車時速極慢, 碰撞之後反應遲鈍未能用剎車制停車, 所以冇剎車痕, 而只本能反應用左腳踢欄停車. 相反, 被告係碰撞之後完全冇剎車, 好明顯全心隊林我o既當事人, 係謀殺, 懇請法官判個的士佬死罪!!! 不過....都係我當事人得罪人多衰先, 的士司機[$#25592][$#25592]下車都忍唔住要撞Q佢..... :}) | |
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Posted by: catlee Posted on: 2004-01-11 01:20 話時話, 未開審, 你係咪唔可以公開講架? | |
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Posted by: 林哥仔 Posted on: 2004-01-11 01:27 照我睇的士佬cut線已經超過一半以上(車身)要撞爛倒後鏡肯定係由後撞上,似係的士要cut線而電單車發緊夢或車速過高所以收唔倒,頭碌"車專"向右係因為要避你... 但亦可以話當時你行緊慢線遍左而的士在盲點下cut線..... 但當然要知實際情況係點,你自己知自己事,上庭說話最緊要意志堅定,咬牙切齒,被法官信任機會會高一些,因的士佬已被定型係胡亂cut線,隨時停車的一群..... | |
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Posted by: wtlam Posted on: 2004-01-11 02:44 KK, 破財消災呀, [$#25886]小小錢出黎見下大狀啦 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-11 02:50 d 老友講話其實可以同d 律師對分形式.. 咁就唔洗自己去洗錢... | |
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Posted by: 岩礁園丁 Posted on: 2004-01-11 11:01 如果照阿芳哥幅圖來講, 只係一單簡單交通意外, 的士佬輸梗. | |
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Posted by: GTI Posted on: 2004-01-11 11:44 照計的士大哥會緊驚過你喎！佢可能有一家大細要養，又或者租人車，又或者D分扣到7788，据我所知佢會被扣起租車訂金直至單野判決，又要上庭又要去交通部落[$#12525]供，到時佢連工都開吾倒！ 無想過和解咩？！的士佬企硬咪同佢玩下囉！ | |
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Posted by: wtlam Posted on: 2004-01-11 13:42 iczfirz wrote: d 老友講話其實可以同d 律師對分形式.. 咁就唔洗自己去洗錢... 係remedies公司, 唔係律師黎架 間remedies公司會同你請律師, 如果你win, 佢就同你分 就算你輸, 都唔洗你比錢 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-11 13:50 GTI wrote: 照計的士大哥會緊驚過你喎！佢可能有一家大細要養，又或者租人車，又或者D分扣到7788，据我所知佢會被扣起租車訂金直至單野判決，又要上庭又要去交通部落[$#12525]供，到時佢連工都開吾倒！ 無想過和解咩？！的士佬企硬咪同佢玩下囉！ 其實個中間人...即係個差佬佢有同我講過個的士佬想和解...但問題係如果我要claim會係至小都claim幾萬蚊... 呢條數九成九佢自己都賠唔到... 何解幾萬... 因為我右小腿有骨拆... 家陣打左石膏... 至小有幾個星期番唔到工... 所以應係和解唔到架.. | |
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Posted by: 老狗 Posted on: 2004-01-11 15:23 iczfirz wrote: GTI wrote: 照計的士大哥會緊驚過你喎！佢可能有一家大細要養，又或者租人車，又或者D分扣到7788，据我所知佢會被扣起租車訂金直至單野判決，又要上庭又要去交通部落[$#12525]供，到時佢連工都開吾倒！ 無想過和解咩？！的士佬企硬咪同佢玩下囉！ 其實個中間人...即係個差佬佢有同我講過個的士佬想和解...但問題係如果我要claim會係至小都claim幾萬蚊... 呢條數九成九佢自己都賠唔到... 何解幾萬... 因為我右小腿有骨拆... 家陣打左石膏... 至小有幾個星期番唔到工... 所以應係和解唔到架.. 記得claim車手獎,亞嫂又有左,你又受傷,claim多少幫補下都好丫,呢d係應得的,唔好怕唔意思,養傷期間多d陪亞嫂安胎啦,放鬆心情,享受假期,唔好擔心咁多,祝早日康復:8) | |
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Posted by: 幻之無極兇眼男 Posted on: 2004-01-11 17:24 車手獎 係乜？ 和解到就和解啦，因為人地可能都係有家庭負擔的。 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-11 17:34 其實我自己都唔多清楚係點... 但我問過好多老友...佢地話只係對方份三保(保險公司)賠錢... 對方本人係唔洗自己係荷包賠既...不過當然都要比果d所謂"箭"底費啦.... | |
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Posted by: bbq Posted on: 2004-01-11 18:27 如果唔和解而你又羸左, 就可以告的士佬要佢賠錢(舉例$50,000) 的士佬可以選擇自己荷包賠或叫佢的燕梳公司賠(即的士佬的 "第三者燕梳" ) 如果要的士佬的第三者燕梳賠, 燕梳公司一定會同你講價, 例如: $10,000就即賠,要唔要? 如果你係都要收足$50,000, 就會搵公正行估價(其實公正行一d都唔公正的) 到時判幾多就唔知, 但肯定你一兩年之內一定收唔到(拖字訣) 而的士佬方面, (1)會冇哂NCB (的士最多可有40%NCB ) (2i)的士佬如是租車,會扣按金(約$5,000)作修理的士及修車其間停工的車租 (2ii)的士佬如是車主,要自己俾錢整車及俾墊底費(視乎佢份燕梳的條文) (3)的士佬最少會被告不小心駕駛扣5分及罰款(數佰至數仟不等) (4)搞呢樣搞果樣,開唔到工,手停口停 kk方面, 就要睇佢claim人地幾多及與對方燕梳公司的議價能力, 既然羸左,即係冇做錯事,咁係唔會影響你的NCB的, 如果我係的士佬,又係租車的話, 我願意和解及負責$10,000或以下的賠償, 如果真係要幾萬, 就寧願俾人告入罪了。 俊兄: "車手獎" 即係 "不論過失交通意外傷亡援助" 記住:係 "援助" 而唔係 "賠償" 我見過有條友上去問可以 "賠" 到幾多, 即刻俾人插到暈, 官話:係援助,唔係賠!!唔係欠你的!! 另外,俊兄擔心的士佬有家庭負擔係出於好心, 但我有些少唔同意, 因為佢駕駛時,有冇諗過其他道路使用者亦有家庭負擔的? 佢不顧後果搶到個客,收錢果陣笑哈哈又有冇諗過後果? 假設大吉利是kk因今次意外而升官發財既話, 老婆又大緊肚, 邊個幫佢養家人同埋d魚? 我覺得犯左錯係應受懲罰的, 況且又唔係要佢坐監, 我個人覺得唔好心軟。 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-11 18:36 我淨係知道... 炒左之後... 佢落車第一件事唔係行埋我度問下我有冇事... 而係小九我話我掃甩佢塊鏡... 直到最後... 都係冇問我過一句有冇事... :!( 係邊個既錯... 我心[$#153219]有數.... 但當然學bbq話齌... 我心知我自己把口唔夠老練...上到court度... 除時比佢玩番轉頭... | |
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Posted by: 幻之無極兇眼男 Posted on: 2004-01-11 20:09 唔...呢d就係人生。 | |
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Posted by: catlee Posted on: 2004-01-11 20:13 幻之終極真姚俊 wrote: 唔...呢d就係人生。 超......唔使咁感觸下話? 你行左三分一喳喎..... | |
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Posted by: mrfong Posted on: 2004-01-11 21:00 俊俊:) 可以改改如下: 唔...呢d就係花生。 唔...呢d就係KK生。 唔...呢d就係天生。 唔...呢d就係乜生。 唔...呢d就係人身。 唔...呢d就係人參。 唔...呢d就係人渣。....:D | |
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Posted by: 幻之無極兇眼男 Posted on: 2004-01-11 21:49 唔...年輕真好。 | |
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Posted by: patlam Posted on: 2004-01-11 23:17 晌屋企休息下啦, 意外意外, 意料之外, 呢d 野整定既, 係你就係你, 唔係你就唔係你 當放假晌屋企休息下囉 小心呀, 唔好四周圍走喇 :) | |
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Posted by: clownfish Posted on: 2004-01-12 01:28 點都好 . 有老婆仔ga. 小心交通 , 唔只自己小心喳 ,亦要小心人地亂喳 ga. :) 祝早日康復 :D | |
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Posted by: 幻之無極兇眼男 Posted on: 2004-01-12 01:54 發生左單咁o既野，老婆有無話唔好再楂電單車呀？ | |
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Posted by: clownfish Posted on: 2004-01-12 02:04 漏左句老人話 , 當老婆 同家人 听到會好惊好擔心ga. 小心小心 ,切記 " 開開心心出門 , 平平安安回家 " | |
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Posted by: 康仔 Posted on: 2004-01-12 10:25 iczfirz wrote: 我淨係知道... 炒左之後... 佢落車第一件事唔係行埋我度問下我有冇事... 而係小九我話我掃甩佢塊鏡... 直到最後... 都係冇問我過一句有冇事... :!( 係邊個既錯... 我心[$#153219]有數.... 但當然學bbq話齌... 我心知我自己把口唔夠老練...上到court度... 除時比佢玩番轉頭... KK sir, 揸車呢家野我就搭唔到嘴咯...呢D羅生門，雙方都一定各執一詞，如果唔係自己既錯的話，咁咪將自己所記得的照直同裁判官講囉:I 安心休息吓拉:D 我由頂D post睇落黎，之前都唔知網主大人點解話專程要去探你:P 仔細老婆嫩，咪鬼揸兩個轆拉，唔好要亞嫂擔心嘛... | |
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Posted by: sammy仔 Posted on: 2004-01-12 12:30 iczfirz wrote: 我淨係知道... 炒左之後... 佢落車第一件事唔係行埋我度問下我有冇事... 而係小九我話我掃甩佢塊鏡... 直到最後... 都係冇問我過一句有冇事... :!( 係邊個既錯... 我心[$#153219]有數.... 但當然學bbq話齌... 我心知我自己把口唔夠老練...上到court度... 除時比佢玩番轉頭... 又比小小時間細佬發表下.....首先從刑責方面來看: Who is the claimant? Who is the defendant? This question must be analysed before going into details. Who is the wrong-doer???? Who will be accused???....... In law, there is some thing call "circumstantial evidence", meaning even if there is no witness, the fact proves itself. So, as what you described, the crucial fact is : how is the texi damaged? where is the stretches on the texi? Normally, if one car wants to take over the other (i.e let's assume a texi wants to take over a motor-cycle), the driver of the former must extend REASONABLE care to ensure safety take over. The question is what is mean by "REASONABLE". The court held in the past that if the stretches appear after 3/4 of the texi boby, the motor-cycle is propably in fault. On the other hand, if the stretches appear in the fore of the texi body, the court will think the texi driver did not look around before taking over and so the texi driver is negligent. KK, in your case, you said the backlooking mirror of the texi is damaged. It is a fact that is beneficial to you as I suppose backlooking mirror is in the fore part of the texi body. However, why did your motor-cycle lied down 20 meters ahead of the texi body? Does it mean that when the texi driver takes over, the motor-cyclist accelerated like car racing and resist the take over and thus crashed with the texi. In that scenario, you will be accused of careless (or even reckless) driving. Let's take another scenario. The texi wanted to take over. Unfortunately, the driver didn't look around and didn't notice a motor-cycle was just running on the left lane. Without any sign to other road user (i.e. didn't turn on the left-turn warning light), the texi suddenly cross lane. The motor-cyclist, in order to avoid head-over crash, turned left and made use of the limited space availble to slit away but still hit with the texi fore-body and damaged the backlooking mirror. This is the minimium damage that the motor-cyclist can manage under such scenario. However, the court will question: why didn't the motor-cyclist apply the bake instead of slit away???? It is probably a reflect action to apply bake than to slit away through the limited available space........So, the court, under the balance of probability, will not trust this scenario is what was happened at that moment.......... However, as the texi-driver did not apply the left-turn warning light, he is also acting in contrary of the Road Safty Ordinance. He would be accrused of careless driving. But he can agrue that it is his habit to turn off all the electricity consuming appliance before getting off the car (which is really the case as it is their breeder). Careless driving is a criminal offence. The burden of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt". So, when you make your caution statement to police, think carefully. As the case is now taking charge by the police, be careful not to do any act that is preverting the course of justice.............. I believe the forum here is a place for discussion only. I also believe no body here is teaching you to "make up a story". We encourage you to speak out the "truth". We are not aiding or abetting you or whatsoever to make up a story which will preverting the course of justice........... If I am the texi driver, what do you think I will do with this post? I will print it out and.......... | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-12 12:48 森美...謝過先... 我其實都只係講出個情況... 係呢個post我都冇講過非事實既野... 只係作討論形式... 我冇講出整個撞車經過... 就係想大家理性d去睇下個事後証據... 我估佢就算print左出黎都唔會入到我咩下話... 因為我相信個警察都會係有一份同芳芳差唔多既圖... 講真...佢果行都大把行家會同佢討論架啦... 我自己又冇經驗.. 當然要問下大家點去跟進架啦:P | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-13 14:55 太好囉太好囉... 魚網內魚友來自五湖四海... 己收到風對方己怛白認左係佢自己轉線... 所以.. 都叫做放下心頭大石:) 在此真係要謝過大家射住射住:I | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2004-01-13 16:45 好囉~水落石出, 豬腳用水出:P, 好返請你食豬骨煲:D | |
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Posted by: bbq Posted on: 2004-01-14 15:33 唔好鬆懈住先, 一日未判一日都未煩完呀, 不過照計都好大機會既.... 不如就襯衣家, 諗下點claim對方燕梳。 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-01-15 17:28 有乜claim就唔知呀... 不過我都會keep晒所有洗費單據... 另岩岩收到我單案既負責警員電話.. 話如照睇都會差個的士佬多... 咁又放心多dd喇... | |
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Posted by: clownfish Posted on: 2004-01-15 21:18 congratulation :D:D | |
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Posted by: mrfong Posted on: 2004-01-15 22:08 iczfirz wrote: 有乜claim就唔知呀... 不過我都會keep晒所有洗費單據... 另岩岩收到我單案既負責警員電話.. 話如照睇都會差個的士佬多... 咁又放心多dd喇... 有乜claim ?-----起碼都claim 番全套十尺reef tank 啦！:P ...keep晒所有洗費單據...-----記得話撞爛[$#21655]副眼鏡...跟手去魚街買番對12寸眼鏡..開單呀老闆！:D | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2004-08-13 22:21 :D:D 掂左... 今日判左... 個的士佬被警方KO左....:8) | |
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Posted by: steven Posted on: 2004-08-13 22:24 claim 爆佢啦:D | |
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