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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:15 請問17"紅A套缸+珊瑚沙+底喉 是否不能養小型海水魚(如: 小丑) ? 有什麼還須要加? (通常 3-4 日便有魚出現問題: 魚身出現白點, 紅點, 腐爛, 跟住死亡???) 真的不想整死D咁靚既魚, 請多多指教! 感激不盡! | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:17 你有冇做下d 養水動作呀??? | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:33 請問什麼是 "養水動作" ? Thanks | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:34 你係咪一放水就即加魚??? 借用一下其他魚友既開缸養水程序....唔該晒DONGFENG 先..:D http://www.aquarium.org.hk/cgi-bin/ch/topic_show.cgi?id=7002&h=1&bpg=2&age=0 咁你既開缸養水程序又如何?? | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-13 16:49 朋友介紹我用[$#21408]所水的。 一買魚返來先連袋放落缸半小時, 再把魚放在 "分格" 一小時, 之後才倒入缸。 這步驟正確嗎? 請提點提點. 謝謝 | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-13 20:34 咁你有冇check 過你用果d 廁所水有冇問題先用呢?? 我個人覺得養魚用廁所水唔係太好..如果係珊瑚既話, 都仲可以..... 仲有你開缸既過程係點呢?? 有咩設備呢?? 你加魚既方法第一步浸水係要等d 新魚適應你缸水既溫度係正確既．．不過跟住唔係一下就放條魚落你個缸d 水度， 而係要逐少逐少咁張你個缸既水加入去, 等條魚慢慢適應你個缸d 水質．．你依家個做法， 如果係d 魔同雀顃既魚還可．但如果係d 適應力較差既魚．．必死無二．． | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-13 22:00 cmtsui 兄，非常多謝您的指導。 請問如何check d 廁所水有冇問題? 仲有你開缸既過程係點呢?? -> 可以話係無既，只是洗淨d 珊瑚沙，加入11合1細菌, 海水原素, 之後開慮水及底喉，等待兩小時。不知是否正確? 請指教 有咩設備呢? -> 17"紅A套缸+缸頂慮水+底喉+powerhead 303. 不知是否足夠? 不過跟住唔係一下就放條魚落你個缸d 水度， 而係要逐少逐少咁張你個缸既水加入去, 等條魚慢慢適應你個缸d 水質．． -> 不過魚檔個老細話, 吾好加買魚D水落缸?? 請問如何好呢? 10000 x thanks | |
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Posted by: zz Posted on: 2003-11-13 22:50 mikelui 如你真是想用這１７寸缸養魚的話,我勸你都是養淡水魚好了,因對養海水魚來講是非常難的,可能只可以養一至兩條魚仔,不要看了魚店的魚缸仔好似可以養到魚,他們只不過不段加魚罷了:~) | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-13 23:12 多謝指教。如果真的有心養海水魚, 魚缸最少要買幾大? 最少要有什麼設備? | |
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Posted by: 岩礁園丁 Posted on: 2003-11-14 00:13 個人認為, 以經濟角度而言, 3呎都可以, 實際d, 4呎至6呎, 如你夠大舖癮, 7呎至10就更佳.:P | |
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Posted by: 鵬鵬 Posted on: 2003-11-14 01:39 mikelui wrote: 請問17"紅A套缸+珊瑚沙+底喉 是否不能養小型海水魚(如: 小丑) ? 有什麼還須要加? (通常 3-4 日便有魚出現問題: 魚身出現白點, 紅點, 腐爛, 跟住死亡???) 真的不想整死D咁靚既魚, 請多多指教! 感激不盡! 唔係話養唔到既...不過只可以養3幾條易養既魚仔囉.... 可以當個魚缸係1個裝飾物甘喇..... 你可試下唔好用廁所水住先...因地區問題..唔係個個地區都可用廁所水既.. 乜乜菌水都唔好加住...新養海水魚簡單d先...1步步來... 洗淨個缸..開好鹽.開泵行2日..然後去買3兩條藍魔仔再睇睇;);) | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-14 02:29 開缸養水程序, 及check 水質 又要借用一下人地既大作...你睇睇啦.. http://ph84.idv.tw/prepare/prepare-a/prepare-a-10.php http://ph84.idv.tw/prepare/prepare-a/prepare-a-7.php 加魚時你可以用一個兜黎慢慢加水就得啦.. so easy 亦有人會用番裝魚個膠袋, 先倒去小部份袋入面既水, 之後加返相同份量既魚缸水, 如是者每隔一段時間重複以上動作...如果時間長既加個氣pump 打下氣 不過我直覺覺得好大機會係你缸水跟本未適合加魚．．問題唔係出係你轉水既程序... 想問下你加既係咩魚?? 新缸新水，一般都只會用魔黎開缸．．．． | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-14 07:26 多謝晒咁多位指教 ! 我會努力再試下, 有吾明再煩大家. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-16 09:14 各位前輩，我昨天終於買左個26" x 14" x 16" 缸, fuji 25e 燈, 珊瑚沙, 底喉 +powerhead 402 , Dyna 600 頂過濾, D 水開始清。 我都有powerhead 301, 請問應該用powerhead 301 or 402好? 噴水向玻璃嗎? 好似噴得好勁? 請問要等多久才能加魚? 如果買試劑, 要買邊幾隻? 有無牌子推介? 謝謝 | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-17 12:00 MikeMike, 唔打算加個skimmer ?? 你仲係打算用廁所水??? 好似有一種試紙都幾好, 一條試紙有齊晒不同既測試, 用法只係張試紙浸入魚缸水內就得, 不過我唔記得咩牌子.. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-17 12:24 聽取大家的意見, [$#21408]所水可能有很多不知名雜質，所以都是自己用海鹽開水. skimmer 是否用來過濾? 請指點. cmtsui, 多謝您的指教, 可否請您找一下"試紙"的牌子? thanks | |
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Posted by: Kenny Posted on: 2003-11-17 20:20 skimmer 全名係 protein skimmer, 中文叫蛋白質分離器, 可把水中的有機物重水裡分開, 對水質的穩定有一定的影響, 當你的魚缸開始多魚時便是時候加一部了. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-18 08:54 Thanks, Kenny. I live in Ma On Shan as well. 請問一般開缸要等幾耐 ? | |
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Posted by: Kenny Posted on: 2003-11-18 11:24 In your case(your tank is 26"), if I were you, when all the things are ready, clean the tank and all equipment first, then add fresh water only into your tank; lets the water running/cycling about 2~3 days. Release all/most of the water, add new water with salt and running about 2 days also. Afterwards, you can go to fs to find for test fishes, buy 2~3 fishes that are about 1" size(don't buy so big), pay attention when you are choosing your test fishes; if you've any suspect on the health of your target fish, don't buy it. Pre-treatment is needed before you release your fishes in tank. Put your fishes with the bag/bags on your tank and wait for 30 mins, if you afraid the oxygen inside is insufficient, 20 mins maybe ok. Open the bag and release 1/3 water inside, then fill in the same amount of tank water; close the bag and let it float on the tank; then wait for about 10~15 mins, release 1/2 of water in the bag and refill the same amount tank water into it and also wait for another 10~15 mins. Then, you finish the "change water" procedure. If you know how to perfrom a fresh water bath or you've TDC, just let your fishes have a fresh water bath or TDC bath before you let them free in your tank. After release all your fishes, feed less and change water more frequently if it is needed. Pay attention and observe them, don't add any fish since then and wait for the N-cycle finish, this period is about 1 month time. Good Luck! :) P.S. I can't type chinese in office, sorry for any inconvenient cause |) | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-18 11:28 English is OK for me. Thank you so much, Kenny. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-18 13:45 "有前輩建議開缸要等一個月, 至落魚." 請問是否要這樣? 期間有什麼要做? Thanks | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-18 13:49 有些朋友加"生物石", 是否須要? 如何選擇? 是否有"生物環"過濾不足夠? thanks | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-18 15:10 mikelui wrote: "有前輩建議開缸要等一個月, 至落魚." 請問是否要這樣? 期間有什麼要做? Thanks 等一個月當然只係估計啦....但重點其實kenny 都講左就係要等個N-CYCLE 完成麻...當然唔係一, 兩日咁快啦..:D 你咁問可以知到你一定好心急, 不過玩海水魚有一個禁忌係我, 同好多人都會中招, 就係心急..:D 其實你係三次失敗之中, 你有d 咩經驗學到呢?? 三次之中你有冇試過養水呢??? | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-18 16:35 全中了, cmtsui, 是衰心急. 三次都用[$#21408]所水, 無養過水. | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-18 17:08 所以魚檔老點你都唔出奇，話比你聽呢頭開缸,放水, 跟手就可以加魚...如果佢話比你聽又要養成個月水咁耐, 乜都唔加得, 搞得... 你估你當時興致勃勃既心情會點?? :D | |
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Posted by: bbq Posted on: 2003-11-18 18:49 仲有, 等你死左魚再回去問佢地時, 佢地便有藉口再叫你買其它野, 同埋果d乜劑物劑了...... | |
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Posted by: Kenny Posted on: 2003-11-18 19:58 mikelui wrote: 有些朋友加"生物石", 是否須要? 如何選擇? 是否有"生物環"過濾不足夠? thanks 如果你決定只養魚的話, 生物石是不需要的, 因為將來你的魚生病時, 是有機會需要落銅藥去治療; 而銅藥能殺害所有無脊椎動物(即生物石內的生物), 到那時你的生物石便變成死石, 失去了原來的作用了. | |
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Posted by: dee2 Posted on: 2003-11-18 20:06 cmtsui wrote: 所以魚檔老點你都唔出奇，話比你聽呢頭開缸,放水, 跟手就可以加魚...如果佢話比你聽又要養成個月水咁耐, 乜都唔加得, 搞得... 你估你當時興致勃勃既心情會點?? :D 我都係日X入面都聽過以下對話 中年女士: [ 我計埋頭尾,開缸至今第五日,係咪可以落魚啦? ] 店員: [ 得架啦!D水清左就落得架啦!我地就[$#8213]兩日倒啦,你五日無問題架啦! ] 跟住中年女士就興高采烈地揀魚去了............. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-19 09:11 多謝各位指教. dee2, 我正正就係聽左日X店員話"水清就加得魚", 所以就衰左了 (不過我不是那個中年女士) 咁養水一般幾耐? 是否要用什麼試劑? thanks | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-20 10:15 呢篇野有晒你要既答案．．自己慢慢消化下啦．． http://ph84.idv.tw/prepare/prepare-a/prepare-a-10.php | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-21 12:44 請問 15/11 開始養缸，現時的 pH 8.1, NO3 0.1mg/L, 可開始加魚嗎? | |
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Posted by: Kenny Posted on: 2003-11-21 13:33 It is not necessary to check NO3 at the first stage, but you need to check NO2 (not only pH), it is very harmful to fishes. In the first stage of running a new tank, you need to check NO2 and pH in alternate day. If it is possible, I would suggest you to check them every day. Temperature is another important factor that would make your new fishes sick or kill them. Try your best to keep the temp. as stable as possible. How many fishes you've now? Let me share my experience to u. My tank is 40". I bought two 1" clowns as test fishes on the 15th day of my new tank running. I kept them on the floating plastic box, which is a way more easier for me to observe them and feed them. I kept them in the box about 2 weeks, then release them. One baby died accidentally by falling into the sump. Then, I went to find two more to replace the dead one. However, I couldn't find two clowns with good condition at that time. Finally, I got two for the replacement after 10 days later. I separated these new members also. One more week later, I introduced two fire birds about 1.2"; kept them separately also and released them altogether on about 10 days later. I got my first angel on the third month of my tank. And now, two clowns and one fire bird are still existing. They are living in my tank over 20 months lu. I talk so much to you just want to tell you that patience is another very important point to run a new tank. If you don't want to waste the lives and your money, just be patient. Good luck :) | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-21 14:32 Thanks, Kenny. 應該是 pH 8.1 & NO2 0.1mg/L. 現時只有一小棵海草 及 一隻小紅蟹， 並未開始養魚。 何時才可開始養魚 ? 謝謝 | |
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Posted by: Kenny Posted on: 2003-11-21 18:02 You can start to find your test fishes now. You can buy 2~3 fishes about 1.5" (better not bigger than 2"). When you choose your test fishes, you need to find some healthy ones. Try your best to observe your target fishes in more detail, if you've any suspect on their health or you find them any abnormal action, don't buy it. You can go to FS to find for your fishes few days later, but if you introduced some sick fishes into your tank, it not only brings the harmful bacteria back, but also reduce the rate of survival of your fishes. Since they already suffer from the illness, but still need to resist the pressure of the new environment. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-22 00:07 Thanks a lot, Kenny. 剛買了兩條藍魔及兩條啡色三間試養。 遲一兩日再附加相片及報告情況。 在此再次多謝各位指教。 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-23 00:34 是否要加"生物石", skimmer ? 有關知識缺乏, 請指點。 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-23 08:42 Here is the photo | |
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Posted by: nebula Posted on: 2003-11-23 13:08 加個氣動化氮較佳（約90蚊左右），另可添置珊瑚骨作魚隻藏身之所。 你稱作"啡色三間"，魚街會叫新娘。生物石在你魚缸現今的條件很難Keep得好，還是不要沾手為佳。 要限制飼養數目，暫時現有魚隻已經差不多夠玩。咸水魚不同淡水魚，無必要一對對買。抱歉，你對藍魔很大機會會打死當中一條，自已看著辦吧！ 養咸水魚最重要的不是技術，是耐性，慢慢玩啦。 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-23 16:38 多謝 nebula 的建議。請問買"氣動化氮"如何選擇? 有何好介紹? | |
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Posted by: Kenny Posted on: 2003-11-23 20:41 nebula wrote: 咸水魚不同淡水魚，無必要一對對買。 讓我回想起靚仔時去揀魚、買魚的時光............:8) Sorry, 離題了 :P | |
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Posted by: nebula Posted on: 2003-11-23 22:28 紅海牌，redsea。 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-28 00:44 最新戰況：前幾天加了8 磅生物石, 現時兩條藍魔升天了, 到今天只有兩條小[$#19986]一小棵海草及一隻小紅蟹。 每星期加11合1菌及海水微量原素。pH 8.2, NO3 = 0.1. 請問是否有其他野要做? 要留意? 應否開始加skimmer? 幾時要換水? Thanks. | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-28 08:16 再問聲有何方法可以加快個 N-cycle ? 是否NO3 test 曝紅之後白返就完成 ? Many thanks. | |
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Posted by: clownfish Posted on: 2003-11-28 09:02 是否NO3 test 曝紅之後白返就完成 should be NO2 ....... " 2 " lar :D and pls take note that this did not mean that u can add many fish . this is just mean that u had build the bacterial for 兩條小[$#19986]及一隻小紅蟹。 any new fish introduce to tank , they need to build more bacterial for the new fish . ex: u had build 2 toilet( bacterial ) for 兩條小[$#19986] , if u add 10 fish. that mean 12 fish share 2 toilet, 2/12=17% toilet for 1 fish . they will died xx( so u have 2 toilet . than add 1 fish , 3 fish share 2 toilet still ok.(2/3=67%) 2~3weeks later your tank have 3 toilets ( bacterial build for 3 fish ), u add 1 fish 3/4=75%. u must add fish slowly .......... :D after few months, tank have 10 fish , so even add 3 fish together ,10/13=76% , this will not cause anyproblems :D so pls wait and slowly add fish :D:P if not u will repeat same problems " 全中了, cmtsui, 是衰心急. " it is the time to train your " patience " ps: of'coz u have to consider your tank size and how many fish can keep. not mean that u can add fish for ever :D:P | |
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Posted by: orguess Posted on: 2003-11-28 09:02 我試過每日落硝化菌水，每日10ml。係淡水缸時有效，咸水缸都有D幫助。我是用Dupla，不過貴D。聽講PSB都可以。 要等NO2回落變回黃色才完成n-cycle。 其他前輩唔好見笑！ | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2003-11-28 09:10 PSB好惹苔, 用cycle啦。 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-28 09:24 多謝各位提醒 "要忍", 現時情況如下. 問多句是否要加 skimmer ? 可否加海葵 ? | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-28 10:31 你個缸好似唔係好深水喎...加skimmer 時要留意... | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-28 12:49 依家唔好加葵啦．．好壞水．．．你依家得兩條魚仔之麻．．．唔用skimmer 都冇問題啦．．不過加左亦都冇壞．．:D | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-29 08:48 O..昨晚行魚街..又衰左 買左5磅生物石, 兩條朱古力, 一棵紫點葵及四條管虫 (老闆話對D水有淨化作用) 現況如下 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-29 11:47 請問管虫是否可以幫助淨化D水? 回來後, 安置它們都有反應, 但其中一條 點搞佢, D"毛" 都無申返入去, 是否有問題 ? 點先知佢是否健在 ? 請指教一下. Thanks. | |
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Posted by: cmtsui Posted on: 2003-11-29 19:25 MikeMike..你加生物石千祈唔好得閒又加下..得閒又加下......你咁玩法, 你d 魚魚就得閒就死下..得閒又死下家啦....係加既就一次過...加左石....短時間內都唔好加生物住...除左係開魚之外... 忍手呀....唔好搞咁多花樣住啦...你再搞佢...好快你就會反第四次缸...:D:D | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-11-29 21:32 收到. 係個魚當老板話生物石太少, 所以..... 當然最大責任係自己...再次多謝.... 以下是落缸 24 小時後的相 | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2003-12-06 16:51 請問換水是否會影響N-cycle的進行? 新缸換水時期及份量應該怎樣 ? | |
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Posted by: lubo Posted on: 2004-04-14 00:33 mikemike.... I read this post and just wonder how your tank looks like ah... post some pics la~! | |
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Posted by: mikelui Posted on: 2004-04-16 18:22 Hi Fans, 明天 post d 新相上來。 賜教賜教! | |
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Posted by: mememe Posted on: 2004-04-19 01:04 [$#32884]聞朱古力好難養，葵要夠光和水流要夠至得.:D | |
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