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Posted by: rs Posted on: 2003-04-22 13:41 Teco R200, bought 1.5yrs but used 1 yr. Good for under 300L water. Ma On Shan, pick up yourself. $1,500 | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-04-24 09:05 有相看嗎？ | |
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Posted by: rs Posted on: 2003-04-24 11:14 Please wait ! :) | |
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Posted by: rs Posted on: 2003-04-25 11:25 Photo | |
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Posted by: ahpooh Posted on: 2003-04-25 13:18 your tell no.ahpoohmo | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-04-25 22:40 rs, please see pm~~~ | |
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Posted by: rs Posted on: 2003-04-26 11:26 Sorry ahpooh, I just confirmed the trade with haiven ! | |
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Posted by: ahpooh Posted on: 2003-04-28 11:28 thank you! | |
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Posted by: ckjackey Posted on: 2003-04-29 19:10 tel:95559659/jackey | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-01 16:58 Re-sell！！ 因不合用∼∼只插著過，但未用過，因要放高過缸頂，而電線就不夠長了∼照價＄１５００，火車站交收。 | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-01 17:30 電線唔夠長駁唔到 ? | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-01 18:14 岩岩插著，運作正常，但我要放缸頂，電線唔夠長，我驚駁完電線之後唔work。 | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-01 18:15 紅色格為電制。 | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-01 18:31 唉~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~B) | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-01 22:07 拖板啦 ~~ | |
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Posted by: HT Posted on: 2003-05-01 23:56 用拖板會唔會唔夠力,驚會爆炸喎! | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2003-05-02 08:57 唔驚, 我都係咁用。部水冷火數都唔係咁多o者, 我玩hifi都係用拖板拖幾部機, 不過最好用有獨立fuse o既。 | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-02 09:01 哈哈，邊有咁易爆炸丫，不過拖板真係唔夠力，我一插拖板就跳制，所以先咁煩者，q記，我夠知用拖板啦∼∼ 而家要直插入牆電制，部機行左成晚，由三十度降到廿六度∼∼:P係頭痛唔知安置佢係邊∼ | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-02 09:23 haiven 兄 ~ "我一插拖板就跳制，所以先咁煩者，q記，我夠知用拖板啦∼∼ " 無奶油喎 ~ 我一個 13a 蘇底出晒所有電器一齊行都未跳過制, 係唔係你個 fuse 數唔夠呀 ?? 或者你倨拖板入面果粒 FUSE 係 5A, 你睇睇啦 ~ 拖板一定得架 ! :) 我由 13a 出 ~ 25" 電視 / 海利 160 水冷 / atman 3338 桶 / 150w 老仔 / 15w 光管 x2 / 兩個潛水泵 / 9w UV | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 10:28 識少少電工的人都會:D 你知唔知你成個廳的牆穌都係" 手施手 " 形式串通。 好似牆內行拖板咁。 所以，冇奶由你用拖板會跳，直插牆冇樹。 如果真係咁，你的水冷13A插 And/Or 拖板 可能出現氧化 增加左阻抗，電流上升，再耐D會發熱，而耐D就會火燒後蘭！ 小心啊！ 其實你講咁多，係唔係你想搵個借口賣左佢啊！ 賣野唔使諗到咁復習喎！B) | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-02 10:30 哇 ~ 用到可以養心頭好就唔好賣啦 !! 26 度喎 ~ 養珊瑚喎 ~ 有水冷用喎 ~ 可以開缸喎..........xxxx 喎.......xxxx 喎.......xxxx 喎.......xxxx 喎:) | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 10:36 xxxx <== 係乜？B) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2003-05-02 10:40 喂.. 聽過有人講話如果A數唔大既架生可以改佢用個1A fuse. 有冇人係咁做? 另外.. 熹.. 水冷好可能會有倒汗水.. 小心小心.. 喂.. 手施手形式串通 同 拖板會跳有乜關? 同埋施版只會燒fuse.. 冇得跳下話.. 你地係咪講緊個總掣箱d 13A蘇 5A蘇 跳呀? | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 10:50 嘩~~~ iczfirz ，你比人電器佬搵笨啊。 裝D 13A 或 5A fuse 係你家的總電箱內。 咁你家D野咪跳到拍拍幫。 不過有好處，好安全！ "喂.. 聽過有人講話如果A數唔大既架生可以改佢用個1A fuse. 有冇人係咁做? " 唔明你講乜！ 但各人要緊記，唔好亂改大 Fuse 的 A數！ 可以改細，唔可以改大！ 改細的意思係，你新買過 3腳插穌返黎準備裝係電話叉電機，你可以換走跟黎的 13A Fuse 為較低的Fuse (如1A) 如有講錯，請前輩指點，我亂吹咋！ | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-02 12:04 iwave wrote: 識少少電工的人都會:D 你知唔知你成個廳的牆穌都係" 手施手 " 形式串通。 好似牆內行拖板咁。 所以，冇奶由你用拖板會跳，直插牆冇樹。 如果真係咁，你的水冷13A插 And/Or 拖板 可能出現氧化 增加左阻抗，電流上升，再耐D會發熱，而耐D就會火燒後蘭！ 小心啊！ 其實你講咁多，係唔係你想搵個借口賣左佢啊！ 賣野唔使諗到咁復習喎！B) 我都唔知點解∼∼我對電工既認識真係好少，至於點解插入牆蘇無事，但插拖板有事就真係唔知，正因為咁，我嘗試開左個殼，睇下會唔會有D電線鬆左，比我發現有兩條電線接駁得唔好，只係用水喉膠布圈住，而且一拍就甩，果兩條線係一籃一紅，係連擁電子錶版既線，於是我將佢接番好（用番佢果條水喉膠布），然後再插拖板，跳了，插入場，無事（唔知有無關係），就係咁行左一晚，今朝廿六度∼ 想賣係因為無位放，其實只要解決電線長度就搞掂，今日問人借左錫線同熱縮通，今晚番去試下駁長條電線∼咁就唔使賣喇。 | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 12:09 駁長？？？咁大風險？ 小心火燒後蘭！ 用另一個拖板啦，換左個插頭啦！ 浪官爺金句 " Fuse 最緊要跳，唔跳就仆街" | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-02 12:10 無錯 ~ " Fuse 最緊要跳，唔跳就仆街" ~ 如果不停 "凌空" 索氣就大擰樂 !! :) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2003-05-02 12:12 哎呀.. 浪少.. 當然知電箱內果d 13A 5A 內裡唔係真係果個A數咁小啦.. 我只係話係咪你地講緊跳果個掣咋.. "喂.. 聽過有人講話如果A數唔大既架生可以改佢用個1A fuse. 有冇人係咁做? " <<<< 咪就係你講 "改細的意思係，你新買過 3腳插穌返黎準備裝係電話叉電機，你可以換走跟黎的 13A Fuse 為較低的Fuse (如1A) " 囉 | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-02 12:13 轉咁細 a 數放便成日斷 fuse 呀 ? | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2003-05-02 12:22 唔識就唔好立亂換線呀, 否則好危險, 要知道跳掣即時代表有問題, check 清楚好d, 唔係就後悔莫及o拿。我都係好似qq咁, 一個拖板駁濾筒、老仔、光管、skimmer、三個潛水頭、風扇、uv加埋水冷都冇跳過掣, 冇理由好似你咁情形, 或者換過第二個拖板再試過。;) | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:21 拖板已經換過，係新買架∼ 你地唔好嚇我啦，我而家好鬼驚呀！B) 如果要CHECK下部機有無事，可以點做呀？ rs:你有無咁既情況呀？ | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:26 請合格的技術人員上黎Check下！:I | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:29 仲有， 美國的三腳頭同英國的三腳頭， L(火) 同 N 係相反的！ 小心！ | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:32 haiven wrote: 拖板已經換過，係新買架∼ 換左後得唔得呀？？我有冇講錯啊？？ | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:36 部機都唔係美國機, 照計應該唔會係制式問題, 如我記錯的話部機係用一個IEC插駁電線o既, 或者試o下搵一條電腦用o既電源線換o左條原裝線, 睇o下仲有冇呢個情況發生, 拖板可以o既話換一個用開冇問題o既試o下, 我諗情況都唔係咁壞o者。 | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:45 係唔係你個拖板 d 線唔夠粗電壓唔夠呀 ? 你用咩芯線 ? 22 號 ? 你部機一定無事, 因為你用蘇底開到機唔跳制, 但用拖板就跳, 通常係電壓唔夠或者電線負苛唁到先至會係咁 ! | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-02 13:48 你咪大佢啦，佢鬼知咩野叫 #22 號線咩！ qqleo wrote: 係唔係你個拖板 d 線唔夠粗電壓唔夠呀 ? 你用咩芯線 ? 22 號 ? 你部機一定無事, 因為你用蘇底開到機唔跳制, 但用拖板就跳, 通常係電壓唔夠或者電線負苛唁到先至會係咁 ! | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2003-05-02 14:12 喂.. 你地咁拖法.. 小心小心.. 因為一有咩停過電.. 到時一黎番電.. 果下子一有氣到.. 百花齊開... 可能會燒左拖板粒fuse. (都好睇你拖左d乜電器既) 但熹你都洗咁驚.. 因為水冷應會等一段時間先會開動個製冷泵既.. 所以你可以放心.. | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2003-05-02 14:39 冇法啦kk, 養魚d器材咁多, 一般點會預佢咁多插位喎, 唯一解決辦法只有用拖板, 不過我多數會拖上拖, 同時每一個插位都有獨立fuse, 試過停電都冇事。玩開音響都習慣o左用拖板, 電壓咁大都冇事, 我諗得掛。:P | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2003-05-02 14:43 其實係要小心果下子一有番氣到.. 因為有時有d電氣佢開機果剎那會扯多幾陪電流量架.. 正如我公司d EMC disk.. 有成幾百隻係一個大櫃內.. power-on時會每打每打咁分別起動.. 如果一下子.. 死硬..xx( | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-02 15:49 kk.講得對..不過你地用在13Ａ菲士拖排d設備用電量唔係太大都應該唔會跳制.....正常4尺缸以內d設備用電量合共7Ａ左右.....用拖排時最重要知到拖排個插頭菲士幾大同絛線幾大正常係13Ａ...如唔知絛線幾大千其唔好亂換大Ａ菲士到插頭..[係好危險除時屋都無左小心小心.....換細就可以]....如發覺拖排絛電線有微熱就要減低拖排d電器設備以面發生危險....如接觸有電設備都係請合格的技術人員上黎Check下！ 好d........電e樣野真係唔廣得小...各魚友小心小心......如想知到停電後會唔會消菲士..開左魚缸所有設備然後熄總制然後過5分鐘開返總制就可以知到會唔會消菲士了....[５分鐘係]有d設備唔可以即時在起動如水泠.老仔等..即時起動會影響電器d壽命....... | |
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Posted by: tamone Posted on: 2003-05-02 22:31 haiven兄:你拖板的線可能唔夠粗,可以去五金舖買一條三條廿二線有水電線更換,或請五金舖老闆代勞. | |
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Posted by: northman Posted on: 2003-05-02 23:36 haiven, 你可以去[$#30005]腦[$#22642]買條[$#30005]腦用的 AC power cord ,有12 呎....最長見過15 呎.... 黃金或298 都有,找多幾處便可買度....不須用拖板...... 但基本上RA 200是220W(火),因為 P=V X I......Power= volt x current.. therefore Current =Power / Volt ....... Current= 220w / 220v= 1 Amp....你拖板Fuse 用條5 Amp. 就一定 ok ! 或者你先把 拖板插到牆上[$#30005]制....正常的話不會跳制.....多果跳制就是拖板坯或接錯線......然后先把水機ON/OFF打到 關方向.....才插上水機之插頭....正常不會跳制.....如果會就是這[$#30005]源線坯.....如正常就可以開水機制......如果會跳的話就可能水機有向問題....但你插在牆制 ok ....就水機應該冇向問題! 一步步試一定會找出向問題所在.....好少事[$#21867]... 希望幫到手!!!!!! northman | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-02 23:52 wow~~真係多謝咁多位大哥既意見同關心，呢個時候我諗睇睇相會清楚少少，呢個就係我新買既拖板。 上面有wiring instruction 1. must not be wired directly to the mains. 2. use 3 core cable min size 1.25mm SQ. and 3 pin plug fitted with 13A fuse. 3. core sheath must be securely clamped by means of cord grip. 4. do not use in damp situations. 5. if in doubt consult a qualified electrician. | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-03 00:35 tamone wrote: haiven兄:你拖板的線可能唔夠粗,可以去五金舖買一條三條廿二線有水電線更換,或請五金舖老闆代勞. tamone兄...果d叫做花線條線係叫1.5/2.5或70芯等....3條22係單支單膠電線.同絛電線最高電流使用量為10Ａ......如買電線同拖板最好去電器舖買多數合符bs標準......如自己唔係好識接線....最好買現醒果有拖板..插頭連電線果d.....正常電線用2.5mm...3芯花線可用最高電流有20Ａ..接到13Ａ插頭己經足夠.....1般現醒拖板應該足夠使用..市面有d更加安全拖板每個插座位都有獨立菲土連開關可供選買[菲士可以更換]..... haiven你換絛合符bs標準現醒拖板應該ok... 如有不對請更正..謝謝 | |
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Posted by: 林哥仔 Posted on: 2003-05-03 00:59 iwave wrote: 識少少電工的人都會:D 你知唔知你成個廳的牆穌都係" 手施手 " 形式串通。 好似牆內行拖板咁。 所以，冇奶由你用拖板會跳，直插牆冇樹。 如果真係咁，你的水冷13A插 And/Or 拖板 可能出現氧化 增加左阻抗，電流上升，再耐D會發熱，而耐D就會火燒後蘭！ 小心啊！咁理論上係咪可以將全屋既電器用哂係一個拖板上 其實你講咁多，係唔係你想搵個借口賣左佢啊！ 賣野唔使諗到咁復習喎！B) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2003-05-03 01:07 hehe.. 了了下越黎越多野講添:P | |
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Posted by: seawalker Posted on: 2003-05-03 01:33 林哥仔wrote: 其實你講咁多，係唔係你想搵個借口賣左佢啊！ 賣野唔使諗到咁復習喎 我又講, :~) 自己種[$#21655]蕉,就唔好傳比人啦!醫好佢啦! 醫唔好就,節哀順變啦! :( (我講緊非典型肺炎) :D | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-03 09:50 如果搞得到電源問題，我就唔賣喇。 | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-03 09:51 你 d 電線係咩編號呀 ? | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-03 10:00 northman wrote: haiven, 你可以去[$#30005]腦[$#22642]買條[$#30005]腦用的 AC power cord ,有12 呎....最長見過15 呎.... 黃金或298 都有,找多幾處便可買度....不須用拖板...... 但基本上RA 200是220W(火),因為 P=V X I......Power= volt x current.. therefore Current =Power / Volt ....... Current= 220w / 220v= 1 Amp....你拖板Fuse 用條5 Amp. 就一定 ok ! 或者你先把 拖板插到牆上[$#30005]制....正常的話不會跳制.....多果跳制就是拖板坯或接錯線......然后先把水機ON/OFF打到 關方向.....才插上水機之插頭....正常不會跳制.....如果會就是這[$#30005]源線坯.....如正常就可以開水機制......如果會跳的話就可能水機有向問題....但你插在牆制 ok ....就水機應該冇向問題! 一步步試一定會找出向問題所在.....好少事[$#21867]... 希望幫到手!!!!!! northman 我講漏左樣野，部機係無開關制架，所以一插電制，部機就即刻扯電，可能係因為咁而跳制，我可唔可以加個有開關既插蘇頭呢。 我咁諗又有少少唔岩，因為我插拖板時，拖板上的開關制都未開著佢都跳！ 部水機又會無開關都有既！！！ | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-03 10:02 qqleo wrote: 你 d 電線係咩編號呀 ? 拖板既電線？無架，成條白色，無字。 水機既就成條黑色，又係無字，係咪要拆開佢睇呀？ | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2003-05-03 10:02 我講漏左樣野，部機係無開關制架，所以一插電制，部機就即刻扯電，可能係因為咁而跳制 <== 唔會 ! 我可唔可以加個有開關既插蘇頭呢 <== 可以 我咁諗又有少少唔岩，因為我插拖板時，拖板上的開關制都未開著佢都跳！ <=== 咁就係拖板有水氣到左, 用他筆 "他他" 佢啦 ! | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-03 10:54 haiven你指跳制係跳插頭菲士.定電箱mcb定漏電斷路器呀... 如跳漏電斷路器...你在試下唔插水冷插其它設備有無跳....無跳就唔關拖板事...... | |
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Posted by: rs Posted on: 2003-05-03 11:04 Haiven, sorry for I just come back from China. Actually, I sure that using 拖板 is no problem and together with others tank equipments. Everything alright & going smooth. | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-03 21:57 sdu wrote: haiven你指跳制係跳插頭菲士.定電箱mcb定漏電斷路器呀... 如跳漏電斷路器...你在試下唔插水冷插其它設備有無跳....無跳就唔關拖板事...... 係插拖板就跳漏電斷路，而插入牆電制就無事呀∼ qqleo，我都試過換另一個有你所示的編號的拖板，都跳！ | |
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Posted by: choinm Posted on: 2003-05-03 22:17 haiven兄：你屋企應唔止一個入牆制。將拖板插到另一個入牆制睇[$#21523]跳唔跳？ | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-03 22:26 choinm wrote: haiven兄：你屋企應唔止一個入牆制。將拖板插到另一個入牆制睇[$#21523]跳唔跳？ 咦！真係未試過喎∼∼！但得都無用，因第二個入牆制距離好鬼遠∼ | |
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Posted by: choinm Posted on: 2003-05-03 22:42 你而家係唔係淨插拖板就跳。 要試一試，對解[$#20915]跳水氣制問題或有幫助。最好[$#25886]住塊拖板全屋入牆制都插一插。 | |
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Posted by: 呀陸 Posted on: 2003-05-03 22:45 嘩~~~咁奇怪既??冇開關制?? 我都有一部喎ra200(本說明書同線路仲係度喎)~~~有開關架喎,,仲係用power cord架~~~好方便架喎,,不過把風扇嘈少少就真,,,,,,, 你check真下丫~~ 仲有你留意下裡面制冷個膠水箱(吾係用鈦),,會有機會溜水,膠水箱個駁喉位有少少"枇口",, 要用cuter收下佢,再重新套返條喉就冇溜水啦~~~ 小心整斷d 制冷銅喉喎~~~ ~~ 希望幫到你~ 靚仔哥!!!! | |
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Posted by: monkey Posted on: 2003-05-03 22:50 我都有一部RA200,但係有掣喎.如果冇,可能己經係好舊款啦. | |
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Posted by: 呀陸 Posted on: 2003-05-03 22:55 嘩~~嘩~~~ 我部都買左三年la喎~~~ ~~ 咁佢都部ma 好老????$1500??我全新時買都係三千幾咋喎~~ ~~ 吾好意事,, hurt 親你添 haiven靚仔呵~~ :) | |
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Posted by: monkey Posted on: 2003-05-04 00:31 我部未够1年. | |
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Posted by: northman Posted on: 2003-05-04 00:43 我都是用CA200,去年八月份買$3xxxx,有[$#30005]源開關制的....... | |
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Posted by: iwave Posted on: 2003-05-04 02:08 成 1A 電器，冇奶由冇開關制？B) 另，如果你改13A插頭為開關式的，請小心 你用手按果刻，除時有1A以上的電流，電到你拍拍聲，如果你攪完缸魚，再用手按制，你就xx( 搵人上黎Check下你屋企D電制同錶箱啦！ 做個 Megger test la ! | |
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Posted by: haiven Posted on: 2003-05-04 08:55 浪哥，1A 既係幾多？ choinm，跳水氣既係咩？ | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-04 12:09 幾多Ａ都應刻最好有開關.....1a等如220w {火}.....部水泠用300w左右....水氣制指在總電箱寫住漏電保護制或漏電斷路器或RCD...正常有漏電時會在0.03內切斷插座電源...所以你家中D電線佈線及電箱設備合符標準都不用太擔心....仲之電E樣野千其要小心幾秒就可以把每個人去到第２個空間小心....... | |
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Posted by: choinm Posted on: 2003-05-04 13:23 sdu兄講得好詳細，水氣制=漏電斷路器。 細佬覺得首要處理係淨插拖板(乜野電器都冇插在拖板上)都會跳制，好唔正常，定要解決。 唔用拖板唔係解[$#20915]之道，將來會更麻煩。 | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-04 13:56 choinm wrote: sdu兄講得好詳細，水氣制=漏電斷路器。 細佬覺得首要處理係淨插拖板(乜野電器都冇插在拖板上)都會跳制，好唔正常，定要解決。 唔用拖板唔係解[$#20915]之道，將來會更麻煩。 淨插拖板跳水氣制有幾個原因1就本身牆上13a插座面內接線錯唔..2就拖板或拖板插頭接線錯唔...3就絛拖板同電線有損壞...1.2機會大d.....如想測試牆身插座有無接錯可插其它電器測試......如想測試拖板可把拖板插到其它牆身插座然後插其它電器測試...希望您成功la.... | |
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Posted by: 呀陸 Posted on: 2003-05-04 14:20 使吾使咁愎習呀~~ 簡單d啦~~~ ,, 又話換果個制又話換fuse~~ 吾識吾好亂吹喎~~ 你地問清楚人地係跳乜制先啦~~ 溜電水氣制30ma好夠架啦~~ << 一跳就全屋冇電架~~ 另限流既20A / 15A /10A ,,,,好少會跳架~~ 除非係short current or over load 啦~~ | |
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Posted by: bilpegg34 Posted on: 2003-05-04 17:44 100%跳水氣.水冷机漏[$#30005].找人睇la...... | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-04 23:57 呀陸 wrote: 使吾使咁愎習呀~~ 簡單d啦~~~ ,, 又話換果個制又話換fuse~~ 吾識吾好亂吹喎~~ 你地問清楚人地係跳乜制先啦~~ 溜電水氣制30ma好夠架啦~~ << 一跳就全屋冇電架~~ 另限流既20A / 15A /10A ,,,,好少會跳架~~ 除非係short current or over load 啦~~ 正常住家符合標準配電箱接法有兩種....1種係叫水總..意思係水氣制連總制如你所講<< 一跳就全屋冇電架~~第2種係有1個總制.1個水氣制按裝係兩個分開如跳水氣制電燈都仲會有電....電器設備有兩種1種係固定裝置.1種叫非固定裝置..水氣制係用來保護非固定裝置之設備....陸前輩溜電水氣制30ma好夠架啦係未仲有d大個或細個30ma水氣制買加小弟見識水請陸前輩指引謝謝...... | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2003-05-04 23:59 sdu... 你好猛;) | |
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Posted by: sdu Posted on: 2003-05-05 00:09 iczfirz wrote: sdu... 你好猛;) 多謝先kk....希望可以幫到其它魚友la.... | |
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