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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-11 15:31 [img]http://www.aquarium.org.hk/attach/251564-R1001571-embed.JPG[/img] | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2007-04-11 15:36 暗位好暗, 光位好光 :I 菜 ? | |
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Posted by: alanlamhkhk Posted on: 2007-04-11 17:57 乜R仔用蔡鏡咩? :8) | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-11 19:13 睇EXIF焦距6MM,相機係GR如果係真變形控制非常好,解像度亦高,色彩還原理想唔會誇張,放大鹿唔知! 請講答案! | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2007-04-11 20:56 ricoh GR... 乜你毒唔到人一於玩自毒呀? | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-11 21:58 老明... 對眼真利..... 呢期絕對睇好你.... 讚8D:^) | |
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Posted by: alanlamhkhk Posted on: 2007-04-11 23:39 鏡頭靚,顏色靚 ,好sharp,非一般dc機。 8D | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-12 07:44 暗光表現力.. dc仔貨色...;) | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-12 09:09 點廣角法? | |
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Posted by: qqleo Posted on: 2007-04-12 09:28 PP-HK wrote: 點廣角法? 睇EXIF焦距[color=red]6MM [/color] |) | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-12 10:08 6mm?! 計唔計crop factor先? 睇個視角唔算好wide喎。 | |
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Posted by: alanlamhkhk Posted on: 2007-04-12 11:56 28mm焦距,講wide當然未及魚眼啦, 以呢兩張相黎睇,桶狀變型很輕微,鏡頭質素高,大光圈下都有咁既表現。dc裡面都搵唔到弟二部lor 。價錢算合理喇。 好彩呢期無"蚊",百毒不侵. :D | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-12 12:14 好... 八八九九十十... 講晒啦... 其實... 桶狀變型真係微得很... (幾千蚊貨仔野... 相點... 一係買部SWC啦) 整体上以non-retro focus design.. 鏡片組自然唔洗咁多咁複雜... 色彩自己還原得好... wide.. 唔一定係魚眼... 魚眼.. 唔一定係wide.. 魚眼.. 只係non-rectified.. 計唔計埋crop factor?? 點解會有咁既關想? 多謝大家分享8D | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-12 13:45 我唔係話枝鏡唔好, 只係奇怪6mm個視角姐, dc仔個ccd咁細, crop factor相對大, 28mm就似樣la。 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-12 14:11 係咪有邊部dc仔個EXIF唔會出真實既鏡頭數值架? 好似我呢部咁... 如果真係出左28mm.. 而又冇寫equivalent to 35mm既.. 我估.. 會俾人告到佢甩褲... :D | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-12 16:14 睇唔到exif, 又睇唔你部機仔, 我鬼知咩。B) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-12 16:22 鬼知你睇唔到咩... 奇怪啵... 咁佢地又睇到... | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2007-04-12 17:03 睇到喎... 有exif架.... 我初初仲以為係film添, 見老明話睇到, 我又去睇之之麻 | |
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Posted by: alanlamhkhk Posted on: 2007-04-12 19:06 iczfirz wrote: 好... 八八九九十十... 講晒啦... 其實... 桶狀變型真係微得很... (幾千蚊貨仔野... 相點... 一係買部SWC啦) 整体上以non-retro focus design.. 鏡片組自然唔洗咁多咁複雜... 色彩自己還原得好... wide.. 唔一定係魚眼... 魚眼.. 唔一定係wide.. 魚眼.. 只係non-rectified.. 計唔計埋crop factor?? 點解會有咁既關想? 多謝大家分享8D 明白明白!謝謝指教:) | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2007-04-12 20:35 咁...可唔可以教下肥熊乜野叫魚眼呀? 我都好想問好耐啦... 14mm魚眼鏡... 我支老野都17mm啦.... non-retro focus ??? non-rectified??? 我擔定凳仔, 洗埋耳仔啦... | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-12 22:03 白熊 wrote: 咁...可唔可以教下肥熊乜野叫魚眼呀? 我都好想問好耐啦... 14mm魚眼鏡... 我支老野都17mm啦.... non-retro focus ??? non-rectified??? 我擔定凳仔, 洗埋耳仔啦... 你耳屎多唔多... 我怕你越聽越塞... 一支鏡.. 咁多片鏡片.. 咁多組鏡組... 物理上可以看成一片凸鏡片.. 50mm鏡... 物理上... 就如同有一片鏡片係底片前50mm 就可以令無限遠既光線係底片上聚合成一點光.... 當呢片鏡片如果放係底片前50mm.. 但又要做到焦距小過50mm既... 謂之retrofocus.... 因為要造到呢個retrofocus... 鏡片組就要好複雜地將光線大大地改造... 鏡片自然多了好多... 色彩還原能力自然降低...... 不論咩焦距... 一般會映相被使用既鏡頭都係retified.... 任何一支non-rectified既.. 就係魚眼... 所以... wide.. 唔一定係魚眼... 魚眼.. 唔一定係wide.. wide同魚眼... 係冇關係既... 牛雜一串... 唔該...:P | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2007-04-12 22:32 唔係太明... 咁一邊飲蔗汁一邊講啦:D | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-12 23:33 白熊 wrote: 唔係太明... 咁一邊飲蔗汁一邊講啦:D 咩唔明? 具体小小講出黎.. | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-13 09:02 大c我都唔明播, 講講下retrofocus又講retified, 兩頭唔到岸, 究竟乜叫retified, 佢同retrofocus既關係又係乜呢? BTW, 係屋企梗睇到exif啦, 最弊..................... | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-13 09:07 soli..果度打錯字... 係rectified.. 兩件事黎... rectified係講緊非魚眼同魚眼既分別.. retrofocus係講緊成像有冇變型同色彩還原能力... 上邊兩樣野黎.. 冇關係... | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-13 14:54 兩樣野你一齊講, 點明................. 另外retrofocus你講指50mm以下既鏡, 但係就算係retrofocus, 枝枝鏡既設計也可不同, 設計不同那麼變形同色彩還原能力也會不同罷。 rectified係講緊非魚眼同魚眼既分別, 咁即係點解釋rectified姐? | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-13 15:07 我有一齊講咩? 我明明由頭都尾... 都係分開兩段講.... 你仲乜係都要話我拿埋一齊講? 我有雖要補充一點... 50mm以下既單反機鏡頭都算會係retrofocus.. 支支鏡design都會係有不同程度既不同... 但retrofocus既鏡既design同non-retrofocus鏡既design就必定己有相對性既分別... 我只係張呢兩類鏡頭種類作為一個基本討論... 你可必要將討論既內容想得太開呢? 正如我話支鏡唔好.. 你又會唔會想到話支鏡用上咪body會唔會有分別呢? (呢度我可以答埋你... 你係用EOS 1系機同同係EOS d Kiss機度.. 係有分別..) 點解釋rectified.. 咪就係非魚眼囉... 上頁第一張相你再睇睇... 果張係近乎完美既rectified鏡頭作品之一.. 如果你都唔明白既.. 咁其實我都唔係好明白.. 你之前講既失光即係點解姐? | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-13 15:29 又係講完等於無講過。B) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-13 15:42 ok.. 慳番d口水.. 唯有再等知音人... :P 話時話.. 你去邊度同人傾映相野多架? | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-13 21:09 又有野學啦:}) 又有唔明啦:~)其實支鏡係咪6mmX焦距轉換,咁......又要X幾多?.實際又係幾多焦距? 睇資料GR好以28MM都冇喎:o) 題外話: 最近好少見康仔,蔡生喎! | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2007-04-13 22:50 康仔兩公婆斷估日日去影煙火.... 蔡生斷估又去左唔知邊度"山卡拉".... | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-13 23:34 loming wrote: 又有野學啦:}) 又有唔明啦:~)其實支鏡係咪6mmX焦距轉換,咁......又要X幾多?.實際又係幾多焦距? 睇資料GR好以28MM都冇喎:o) 題外話: 最近好少見康仔,蔡生喎! 呢部GR digital 既6mm鏡... 視角相對於135mm菲林機黎講會係28mm.. | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-13 23:59 iczfirz wrote: loming wrote: 又有野學啦:}) 又有唔明啦:~)其實支鏡係咪6mmX焦距轉換,咁......又要X幾多?.實際又係幾多焦距? 睇資料GR好以28MM都冇喎:o) 題外話: 最近好少見康仔,蔡生喎! 呢部GR digital 既6mm鏡... 視角相對於135mm菲林機黎講會係28mm.. 嘩........個ccd咪好似粒塵咁! | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-14 00:05 白熊 wrote: 康仔兩公婆斷估日日去影煙火.... 仲有滴臘你:D 蔡生斷估又去左唔知邊度"山卡拉" 大陸真係令男人....樂而忙返:}) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-14 00:12 loming wrote: iczfirz wrote: loming wrote: 又有野學啦:}) 又有唔明啦:~)其實支鏡係咪6mmX焦距轉換,咁......又要X幾多?.實際又係幾多焦距? 睇資料GR好以28MM都冇喎:o) 題外話: 最近好少見康仔,蔡生喎! 呢部GR digital 既6mm鏡... 視角相對於135mm菲林機黎講會係28mm.. 嘩........個ccd咪好似粒塵咁! 你又誇張左d.... 睇你點睇啦... 同大底地比... 135機咪又係似粒塵咁.... | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-16 09:40 同大底比, 部DC咪變左納米?:D:D:D | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-16 09:46 iczfirz wrote: ok.. 慳番d口水.. 唯有再等知音人... :P 話時話.. 你去邊度同人傾映相野多架? 而家D人傾影相, 多數講器材居多, 呢d料齋睇足夠有餘。相反真正傾攝影技術, 唔係得個講字既, 唔係有心串人既, 真係少之又少。B) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-16 09:48 變左乜都好... 咪又係光圈快門加無限創意... Your evoluation depend so much on you technology... .... that is almost replace you... .... and, in the end try to destory you. Now without your tools, with your body nearly dead, what is left to you? [from 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)] | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-16 10:14 PP-HK wrote: iczfirz wrote: ok.. 慳番d口水.. 唯有再等知音人... :P 話時話.. 你去邊度同人傾映相野多架? 而家D人傾影相, 多數講器材居多, 呢d料齋睇足夠有餘。相反真正傾攝影技術, 唔係得個講字既, 唔係有心串人既, 真係少之又少。B) 何謂技術? 有時我覺得.. 就好似d人去考PMP呀.. Security Audit呀... ITIL呀果d書生咁.. 教材書睇都未睇過.. 對住份brian dump睇幾轉... 報考幾轉.. 呢次唔得下一次再黎.. 幾轉點都有轉撞中.. 咁咪又有張cert囉.. 出黎到.. 好威架啦.. 又有成功感.. 問下佢難唔難教.. 佢實話難架.. 仲話好深.. 好難一take過...... .. .. 但落手落腳果陣.. d project咪又係lag晒咁囉.. 個個企晒係度... 嘩.. live run project啵.. 做唔到會炒尤喎... 個個就開始屎忽鬼.. 冇理冇理就係刁左你先... 以求自保.. 歪理滿天飛.. 最緊要夠大聲夠大圍.. 以悍衛自己專業有cert既一面... 個人認為.. 器材唔怕講... 技術唔怕講.. 呢d係人與人間相輔相成既良性表現.. 但首先講既人要明白佢自己講乜... 要有根據.. 要有理論.. 大圍咁講坊間咁做未必能成為根據.. 亦不能成為理論.. 無知低能不是失敗或有罪.. 但以自命無知低能而不肯去認知及學習便是失敗.... 以無知低能再去叉能住他人才是罪... ;) | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-16 11:52 你個首先講得好好。:D | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-16 11:54 PP-HK wrote: 你個首先講得好好。:D 好好在乜呢? | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-16 15:56 很有邏輯, 如果加少少更好, 如: 但首先講既人要明白佢自己講乜, 亦能夠盡量解釋別人明白佢講乜... | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-16 16:39 有時... 對住有邏輯既人.. 邏輯才有意思.. principle.. base on logic.. logic.. base on prime.. prime都未知係乜.. 好難再講logic.. 更難再講principle... 我完全明白自己講乜.. 亦想盡量解釋別人明白我講乜... 但.. 不如意事十常八九.. 例如.. 冇腦就係冇腦.. 我變唔到佢有腦.. 我係得咁多架啦.. 別怪我... sidetrack一下.. http://hkdiver.com/viewtopic.php?t=27909 有三腳貓新手刁戰教練級人馬.. 來來去去都係果d招數.. 如.. 我覺得啦.. 唔知你up乜啦.. 唔明白你個例子啦.. 我未試過啦... 唔知係唔係真啦.. 聽人講過咁啦.. 諸如此類.. 令人覺得... 好以之前噴飯show咁.. 時下後生仔女一句"好搞笑.. 真白痴..".. 咁.. 咪就一世囉.. 我好落意同朋友分享.. 最鐘意同d有資質既人分享.. 講principle.. logic.. 同prime.. 要睇得明d prime同logic.. 先夠level問principle.. 正如..我自覺有prime.. 亦有logic.. 所以... 我想問你..咩叫失光? 黎黎黎... wide angle.. 最岩映大頭8D | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-16 21:51 大C,上面個小朋友係大定細,定冇大冇細? | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-16 23:10 就黎做大哥:8):^) | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-17 00:29 iczfirz wrote: 就黎做大哥:8):^) 公起! 公起! 咁你就冇咁多時間影相啦 | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-17 08:42 多左借口買鏡買機咁囉:P | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-19 10:37 所以我咪話大C你高明o羅, 你講野人地唔明, 依你個邏輯, 就係無知低能; 唔明你又話人地無心學, 就係失敗既無知低能, 唔明想問清楚, 就係有罪既無知低能。依你個邏輯, 日後大C講野, 唔齊聲講句大C萬歲, 最起碼都已經係無知低能份子。:O) 可惜, 世上無知低能份子不知凡幾, 能高攀為大C的知心人又有幾人?:(xx( 大C, 日後請多教導, 讓我們擺脫無知與低能、失敗與有罪, 成就大C心中既有知及高能。8D BTW, 現世係存在那些人完全明白自己講乜, 但係全世界既人都唔明白佢講乜, 他們在那裡呢? 那怕是.................[color=beige]青山精神病院[/color], 學砵仔話頭, 回家罷。:D | |
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Posted by: 白熊 Posted on: 2007-04-19 12:55 好怕...哩間房唔敢入囉:P | |
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Posted by: 康仔 Posted on: 2007-04-20 11:35 白熊 wrote: 好怕...哩間房唔敢入囉:P 你地而家明白典解我唔敢蒲頭啦:P:P:P | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-20 12:04 唔明.. 問.. 答左.. 又唔明.. 係未夠班答? 定係未夠班明? 坊間好多款奶粉.. 各人有各人食到大... 岩食咪食多幾安囉... 所以... 超市咁多款米都有銷路... 未見有小朋友養唔大... 不過... 如果唔講食左係咪有冇益.. 其實咪又係咁飽肚... 談到凡幾.. 能否.. 與你何相[$#20192]呢... ? 誰人成就d乜... 又誰人高攀d乜... 關我叉事... 自由社會.. 自由網絡... 唔想浦既.. 冇人會用支鎗指住個頭啵... 又唔會有金弊.. 學邊個話乜...人呢? 唔通係精神長存? 久遺了... 多謝貴人黎探防.. 等我去批個蘋果俾你食啦... 唔洗咁客氣.. :D | |
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Posted by: catlee Posted on: 2007-04-20 15:05 :) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-20 15:19 :D | |
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Posted by: catlee Posted on: 2007-04-20 15:23 :) | |
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Posted by: iczfirz Posted on: 2007-04-20 15:30 :D | |
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Posted by: catlee Posted on: 2007-04-20 15:35 :) | |
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Posted by: loming Posted on: 2007-04-20 22:30 康哥仔好耐冇見,近排點 | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-21 08:59 :X | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-21 09:05 大c講得岩, 唔夠班即係唔夠班, 暫時仲係唔夠班學野, 又唔想做無知與低能, 吹下水就算la。:D|) | |
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Posted by: 康仔 Posted on: 2007-04-23 10:09 loming wrote: 康哥仔好耐冇見,近排點 無穿無爛:D 不過呢期沉迷sps少左影相:P:P | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-23 10:14 又玩番sps, 遲下有冇d斷枝俾我玩下?:I | |
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Posted by: 康仔 Posted on: 2007-04-24 16:24 PP-HK wrote: 又玩番sps, 遲下有冇d斷枝俾我玩下?:I 斷枝...有, 但你個缸養開軟野, 燈、水流同水質應唔多[$#21873]佢地:P ...換過[$#21873]既setting再一齊玩啦:D | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-24 16:41 我個缸放sps都ok架。 | |
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Posted by: 康仔 Posted on: 2007-04-24 17:41 PP-HK wrote: 我個缸放sps都ok架。 養唔屎唔難, 但我果d係白呀紫呀既色, 隊落去有PO4/NO3+150W老仔缸, 2、3個禮拜就會啡曬:~):( | |
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Posted by: PP-HK Posted on: 2007-04-25 12:09 咁又係:D | |

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